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01/03/2013 at 09:12
How do you do it?!?
Im worried the house we are in the process of buying is going to come back from the survey with lots of problems..
Things need doing, ie Kitchen, bathroom and flooring before we moved in. I wouldn't want the two children in there as it is. This could be a case of living with the IL's arrrggghhhhh! ok it would only be a week or so but still not as straight forward as I had liked :(
we have a bit of money to play with from the sale of our house but I don't know if this is even going to cover it if there is anything really wrong, in which case we would pull out, but we can see how nice it could be with a little tlc.
Kellfi and que sera, was it the two of you I was speaking to you about new kitchens? How quick can it get done once all the designing is in place. How long are they there doing it? I know one of your Hs fitted one too.
if anyone has any advice on getting things done nicely but on a budget I'd appreciate it, thanks ladies
01/03/2013 at 10:13
Hi hun. I'm here on all counts. We bought a big old house and did it up. You may not like me now but my one bit of advice if you can manage it atal would be not to be in the house while your doing it. Before we moved in we had the house stripped, carpeted, painted, a loft conversion and a bathroom knocking through and new bathroom put in. We were lucky and stayed in our first house until the work was done. All that took about ten weeks but with a good team could have been done a lot faster. The house needs most new windows and rendering too, we knew this when we bought it but I was too giddy to move in. I regret it now as it will have to be done with us here. I'd really say do as much as you can afford straight away. We had the money to have done it then too but now whenever we get round to it it will probably be a struggle.
It's me whose h has been doing the kitchen too. It's taken months but that is just us. We are far to laid back and h is doing it all by himself a couple of hours here and there. I'd say an average sized kitchen once plastered and plumbed if worked at by one man could be done in two weekends. Someone in the trade would do it faster still.
It's so much to take on, it is best not to be living in the house if you can stomach the ils lol. I have to say though its so worth while. I'm so proud of our home. I love it. It's great knowing the house is yours and is how you chose it to be.
01/03/2013 at 10:26
We bought a 16th Century black & white cottage to 'do up' pre-kids. We both lived at our parents while we were doing it, there was no way we could have lived in it. I would take your ILs offer up for definite!!
We saved a lot of money from having contacts... my Dad is an electrcian and plumber, so he rewired the house for us, DH owns a kitchen/bathroom company and is a fab tiler so that covered that, Dad did the plumbing, a friend gave us 'mates rates' on decorating (although we did do a lot ourselves). my brothers ex wifes Dad (you still with me?!) is a carpet fitter.
It was lovely when all done up, we bought it at £66k about 11 years ago (we are in Shropshire) then 6 years later sold it for £165k so even taking into account house prices going up we made a great profit!
We then moved in to a brand spanking new barn conversion which I must admit as we had DS1 by then, it was lovely not to have to do anything to it! Although DH did make a deal with the builders that we put our own kitchen and bathroom in instead of the crap one they chose but that was done before we moved in.
01/03/2013 at 10:27
Most of the windows, look as if they are fine and quite new so that's one thing off the list.
The scary thing is that we don't know what we're looking at and if it needs replacing or not. The kitchen and bathroom are definite rip out and start again. As with the flooring. This is all cosmetic so it doesn't worry us.
There are little things that we see and think could that be the start of a big job? Like there is a bit of damp in the bathroom, I know a little is normal in any house not lived in but its how much is too much?
I don't think we could move into it and do the work it wouldn't be fair on the little ones, its cold and just not homely but as you say we know we can make it really nice. I think we are just hoping that nothing is too bad to fix.
All the walls have been replastered which actually makes us think why have they done that? Would it hide a bigger problem and if it was damp under the plaster would it have revered its head again by now?
The house Itself looks very solid and is probably stronger than some of the brand new houses built today but age is worry.
Did you have a full survey done? Did anything come back on it?
Sorry for all the Qs, thanks x
01/03/2013 at 10:58
Do be suspicious. Don't let it put you off but don't take things at face value. The woman we were buying from had just painted the kitchen. Surveys in rooms like kitchens come back limited results for damp testing as the cupboards are in the way. So we thought the kitchen was fine and did the rest of the house, moved in and the kitchen rapidly got really rotting and damp. She had been painting it to hide the problems. Luckily as you say the house was sound, damp in an old house can be simple leaking gutter outside causing it, easily fixed. It can be bad ventilation so the condensation and steam is getting trapped and like ours it can just be that what is already in us fitted badly so causing problems. So don't panic if it is damp but do find out if it is as its harder to do as we did and have to sort it when your in......horrible previous owner!
Ask away too I love talking houses!
01/03/2013 at 11:19
That is a good result LL!
My dad is a roofer/builder
Fil an electrician and H is a plumber so we have some trades right under our nose. I just don't a want it to be a case of what have we got ourselves into! or
its always been an ambition of mine to do up a house from scratch but that meant having the 30k in the bank to do it!we don't have that much to play with so have to budget carefully.
i guess it's a case of family fortunes and 'seeing what the survey says' hopefully nothing too bad and we can carry on with it.
i was thinking maybe the buyers if our house will let our house back to us for a few weeks or even a month so we can sort it all.
i feel it will be a long road..
So if everything was ok and we started work on it, where would we start? forget about anything structural, more cosmetic like the kitchen bathroom flooring painting, that sort of thing.
01/03/2013 at 13:06
Bathroom and kitchen. I'd say kitchen first I understand now how hard things are without a kitchen. A carpet in the childrens bedroom and e anything else as and when. We were very fortunate to not be in the house but my parents did their house up over 19 years with us living in it. It's perfectly doable and most do it. I'm excited for you!
01/03/2013 at 13:14
Thanks I'm excited too I'm just not getting too excited incase something comes up. I'm sure it will be fine. I can't wait to get in it and get my hands dirty!
01/03/2013 at 13:22
Best attitude to have see anything you don't need to do as a bonus!
01/03/2013 at 13:23
Oh and take progress pictures. We never did and I'm gutted we can't show how it all used to look!
01/03/2013 at 13:38
Oh and take progress pictures. We never did and I'm gutted we can't show how it all used to look!
Great tip, we did this and its nice to look back on them years later
01/03/2013 at 13:53
Ok thanks for all the advice x
01/03/2013 at 14:31
We are slowly renovating a 1930s house, don't get pregnant as morning sickness and solvent smells don't mix and H had to stop work for about 12 weeks as I could not cope with the smell! If you are going to live in it I would say get one room that you can use socially and bedroom so you have somewhere to go hide from the building site.
01/03/2013 at 14:35
I reckon that if its a straight fit of a kitchen you should allow a week. Don't forget you need to allow for ripping out the old one, that takes a bit of time. If you need plastering then you may need to allow extra time to let the plaster dry out.
When you get the survey back go through it with a fine tooth comb. Ask plenty of questions. Talk to tradespeople to get estimates re the costs of putting things back. If there is evidence of damp then get a damp survey done which will identify the problem in more detail. Then you can negotiate re the price or work. When I sold my flat it was subject to me paying and fixing a minor damp problem. It cost a few hundred pounds to fix this.
Your surveyor will only look at what they can see they won't move furniture or rugs. If you are concerned about particular aspects then make sure the surveyor looks at these in detail.
My friend's house had a 'minor leak' in their conservatory roof. Turned out to be a flood every time it rained!
With housing its "buyer beware" but its easy to get sucked in to not asking the questions. And the owners will lie verbay if not in writing if they can.
01/03/2013 at 16:57
I am currently in the progress of doing a lot of work and living here. I have days when I don't mind and know it will all be worth it in the end, and days when everything drives me mad.
Our kitchen was fitted in a week and that included moving it from one room to another so moving all the plumbing and pipe work etc. I don't know if you have a howdens near you. They do kitchens- trade only , but the units are all built up for you before they are delivered so means a lot less time for a kitchen fitter. We ordered it on the Monday and it was delivered to our house first thing Wednesday morning, so things can be done quickly if you need it.
As others have said- having one room in a nice ish state makes a huge difference. When you have been working hard on the house and finish for the night it's so nice to have a room to be able to chill out and watch tv in.
01/03/2013 at 18:48
If you can, don't live in it whilst you do it up. We did live in ours whilst we did it up (without children I hasten to add) and honestly it was hard at times. The dust, not having a nice room to 'live' in, constant DIY, constantly having to pack and uppack boxes as we moved from room to room. It didn't help that we had to do most of it ourselves and over a long period of time due to the cost of it all. We tended to spread work out over weekends as we couldn't take time off work during the week for tradesmen to come and go. In terms of the kitchen we took it all out ourselves, replaced the ceiling ourselves, tiled floor and walls and painted, done in our evenings. Tradespeople did the rewire, plastering and fitted the kitchen - probably 3-4 days for all that to be done. Fire place was replaced within a day. GCH took about a week to be fitted. Double glazing similar. Guttering and facias were done in two days.
My H did the bathroom first (it was in such a poor state he couldn't actually use the bath/shower). Then the rest of the upstairs. The kitchen, although horrible was livable in so we did that after the upstairs and hall. Dining room and living room were done last. Try and coordinate jobs as much as you can even if it means a few tradespeople in - far easier to have lots of people in for a short period than a few for a longer period.
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