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22/01/2014 at 11:06
A friend was asking about the MMR jab on FB last night and whether to let her child have that or go for the single jabs.
There have been several measles outbreaks in Kent recently because people are still worried about the link between MMR and autism. The Wakefield report (which was carried out on just 12 children!!) was disproved beyond doubt. Do people not do their research on this?
22/01/2014 at 11:08
No they don't they ask their friends on FB instead.
There is a recorded message warning parents of a measle outbreak in Kent on my doctors telephone line (before it rings) but I suspect people are to stupid to even listen and understand!
22/01/2014 at 11:13
Like Belle says, no they don't do any research, just ask your mates on FB and obviously they will have the answers.
22/01/2014 at 11:35
I think the problem lies not only with people not doing their research, but also that not a huge amount of research has been done either. There seems to be so much hear say regarding various studies. It's such a shame that parents don't trust the MMR, as so many kids just aren't being vaccinated as a result.
22/01/2014 at 14:18
People don't do research but also trying to research it is a nightmare for everywebsit saying the link is a myth there is one claiming that actualy new research has prooved wakefiel right.
this from the daily mail
to me this is a poor summary of the research by the paper they seem to be picking out the bits that suit the headline however I can't get hold of the full paper to read it properly (and I would like to because there are some funny numbers in the newspaper article) lots of people will just read the news article and make their judgment on that
If you struggle with sifting through those sorts of facts you would prob err on the the side of not getting it done, I don't think enough is done to highlight just how dangerous measles etc are.
I had disco vaccinated as any risks related to the vaccine seem much lower to me than risks if he contracted any of the diseases.
However I sometimes wonder would the government be better off switching back to a policy of seperate vaccines in an attempt to increase the rate of vaccination
22/01/2014 at 15:10
That link from the Daily Mail seems to be at least 10 years old and was subsequently discredited (again!) news.bbc.co.uk/.../2182690.stm
Anyone ever heard of this study? www.newscientist.com/.../dn7076-autism-rises-despite-mmr-ban-in-japan.html
With his colleagues Yasuo Shimizu and Michael Rutter of the Institute of Psychiatry in London, UK, Honda looked at the records of 31,426 children born in one district of Yokohama between 1988 and 1996. The team counted children diagnosed as autistic by the age of 7.
They found the cases continued to multiply after the vaccine withdrawal, ranging from 48 to 86 cases per 10,000 children before withdrawal to 97 to 161 per 10,000 afterwards. The same pattern was seen with a particular form of autism in which children appear to develop normally and then suddenly regress - the form linked to MMR by Wakefield.
The study cannot rule out the possibility that MMR triggers autism in a tiny number of children, as some claim, but it does show there is no large-scale effect. The vaccine "cannot have caused autism in the many children with autism spectrum disorders in Japan who were born and grew up in the era when MMR was not available", Honda concludes.
Single vaccines aren't tested in the UK, and single vaccines would probably result in an even poorer uptake of immunisations because it means visiting the GP 6 times for the same jabs instead of twice www.hpa.org.uk/.../GeneralInformation
22/01/2014 at 15:34
Its unfortunate that every time they talk about MMR they then talk about Andrew Wakefield's study - even though these days theyy normally say its discredited. Its like they have to remind you of the worry that was caused in the first place.
22/01/2014 at 16:19
I see what you mean Sshh but I do think it's hard for parents. The media seem almost to be doing their best to obscure and distort when it comes to science - for the most part I don't think it is necessarily intentional, but they seem to let journalists with no scientific background or understanding cover important scientific stories. They also give a platform to both sides in the interest of 'fairness' but usually one side has far more evidence than the other... yet both get equal 'screen time' or an equal column. Then the studies themselves are usually hidden within journals you need to pay to gain access to, or visit specialist libraries for, and that's before considering that most people have never been taught to do such research unless they've undertaken relevant degrees pretty much. If you look it up on Google you will find websites both for and against - if you don't already have an understanding of the topic, how are you meant to know which websites are most accurate?
See media studies is a really maligned subject but I actually do think some form of it SHOULD be taught in schools. Children should be taught to think critically about the stories they see/hear/read in the newspapers, TV and radio, and learn about the ways in which words can be used to distort and misrepresent, including things like basic logical fallacies and non sequiturs. And I think if a newspaper publishes a story about a scientific study they should always include a link to it and the names of the author/s, where it was published and its title. Loads of times I read a story about "a study" but there's absolutely no reference given! If you don't have a scholarly and/or scientific background it could be very hard for you to just find this unnamed "study". I include myself in this, my degrees are Arts degrees and I don't have a clue. I could probably find a few things via Google but that's it really.
22/01/2014 at 16:21
Shhh I know th link is old but if you are just googling that is an example of what comes up. (I also found a delightful website with an article so poor I was so cross I couldn't share the link)
Non the less these artcles websites etc are out there and will continue to make it hard for people to access the fact s for them selves.
I also think more could be done in school to teach people critical thinking/ assesment when reading these sorts of stories.
I think the gevernment could do more to make their case by explaining whey the feel MMR is safe and so on rather than simply saying it is. I think education about herd immunity is also valuable as lots of people believe that getting the illness will toughen a childs immune system but don't think about the consequences for those who are unable to have vaccines so rely on herd immunity to protect them from the disease
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