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09/07/2013 at 10:06
Has anyone else heard about this?
Current rules state that head teachers can grant 10 days' leave a year in special circumstances. Head teachers can also grant extended leave of more than 10 days for exceptional circumstances.
But rules that come into force from 1 September 2013, remove references to family holidays and extended leave as well as the threshold of 10 days. The regulations will say head teachers can now only grant leave in exceptional circumstances and it is up to them for how long.
From this source.
There's a petition against it here:
09/07/2013 at 10:26
Yes we got this letter a few weeks back. I think our school always had that policy though as the head rarely agreed to term time absences. Nieces school are also very strict and niece was granted authorised absence for 3 days whilst we went to Whitby with mil and sil was told that had mil not been terminally ill she wouldn't have been authorised and basically not to ask again unless its exceptional circs
09/07/2013 at 10:57
I know I'm probably in the minority but I agree with it. I think education is very important and kids get loads of holdiays, perfectly enough time to have a break with your family. Peronally I don't think kids care if they have a week all inclusive in Turkey or a week in the drizzle in Tenby, they still have a great time - it's the parents who want a cheap week away, at the expense of their children's education. I do understand that for some families they have fixed holiday times and there should be some leeway for them to have time off all together at the same time. But to take time off school just to save money seems wrong to me. My OH and I had plenty of cheap termtime holidays abroad before we had children, to me giving these up was just part of having children. We haven't been abroad for 5 years and money certainly plays a part in that, but I don't think my kids have missed out at all from not having passports.
But as I say, I know I'm very old-fashioned and in the minority! I find it crazy that in some countries, girls are getting shot for trying to get an education whereas here we are given all these opportunites that aren't appreciated (another one is immunisations, don't get me started on that!!).
09/07/2013 at 11:25
Pingu I see your point but we booked our holiday during term time this year because the difference between a 5 day caravan break in April term time and in summer holidays was crazy! It cost us £99 and the same holiday in the summer hols was over £600!! So it's not about us wanting to take the kids abroad at all, we have sacrificed foreign holidays for the moment, but holidays in the UK can be stupidly expensive. I will continue to take my child out of school until it becomes impossible or obviously when they are older and there are exams or something on. I think it depends on the child as well, F hasn't had a single day off sick or for any other reason than the holiday since last September, she's doing extremely well academically and has no problems with settling back into school after a break. I don't think it's fair that she should not have a holiday when there are lots of children in her class who are off school sick all the time for any little thing. I know a lot of people don't agree with me about it but it's something I feel strongly about.
09/07/2013 at 11:30
I take kids out of term time, not during exams or important days, usually the last couple of days of term when all they are doing is own clothes day, watching movies or sports (and my kids aren't sporty). I just call in sick for them rather than ask permission as I know it won't be granted.
09/07/2013 at 13:10
I really dont pay attention to this type of thing - if you're happy to take your kids out of school, does it really matter if it's authorised or not? The families who value their children's education wont do it very regularly and will ensure it doesn't have too detrimental an impact when they do; the ones that don't won't pay any heed to it anyway.
09/07/2013 at 13:16
I am paying the same price for a holiday in Cornwall in August as I would be paying if I flew us all to Spain. This country is no cheaper to holiday in during school holidays than abroad. Just because I follow the rules where I can doesn't mean I agree with them.
To me it's that this legislation makes it sound so cut and dried. It is not always possible for holidays to be taken during school holidays and that is a fact. Parents work weekends, seasonal tourism jobs, shift work. Companies have rules about how much and when you can take annual leave. Education is important, but so is family time. Parents will still take their kids out because paying £60 is better than paying an extra £600 two weeks later. Though I did hear someone say the £60 fine was per session they missed. Either way; cha-ching. At least it'll go some way to ease the deficit I guess.
09/07/2013 at 13:17
I've only heard about it from DW, C's new school hasn't mentioned it, and the school prospectus they handed out at the induction meeting and which is still online has the current guidelines in it.
I've always said that once he starts school we'll only be going on holiday during school holidays, and I plan to stick to that unless there is something completely exceptional, but not a normal holiday.
ETA - we're actually lucky where we live because the school holidays start a week earlier than most other counties (they finish this Friday), so you've got that first week where it's not quite so expensive or busy, hopefully!
09/07/2013 at 13:41
Our school has a no leave to be granted for holidays policy anyway. As a teacher I absolutely agree with this. As a parent, it annoys me that we have to pay so much for holiday time holidays, but we work round it, and have always managed a holiday.
I now would have less of a problem for 1 or 2 days out of term time ( and was considering this for next May for 2 days) but not 1 or 2 weeks. Teachers with families have to work around it, we can't go off on a jolly for a week in term time, we don't get paid a lot and we still have to manage.
Frankly it annoys me when people put holidays ahead of school. There are ways round it, you just change your holiday expectations, style or location. How would you feel if your child's teacher had a week or two off in term time? You'd think she/he was selfish, no? Shunning her/his educational responsibilities, yes? Taking the pi$$, yes?
I won't be signing the petition, sorry.
09/07/2013 at 13:48
Catarina do see your point of view but I don't know how I can possibly change my holiday expectations - this year we booked a 2 bedroom basic caravan in North Wales for 5 of us for £99. Apart from camping which I can't do with my 3, how can I possibly change my expectations? And 1 week out of a whole year for a family to go away together, spend quality time together and do things that are both fun and educational and provide invaluable memories, is it really that bad? As I said, lots of children are out of school for sickness time and time again - F has not been off ill at all since last September so even though she's had a week off for holiday, she's still been in school a lot more than most of the other children!
09/07/2013 at 14:20
I don't know if this is the same as in Scotland, but teachers can't take hols in term times, can you imagine the outcry if a teacher decided that they were going to jet off to Spain for a couple of weeks in the middle of the term? Lol. I can't say that I won't take L out, but I will try my hardest not too and it will not be a regular thing
09/07/2013 at 14:31
I don't see how it's the same a teacher taking holiday during term time?
09/07/2013 at 14:39
Why not? From what my teacher friends say, its very disruptive to a class if children are off all throughout the term, same as a teacher being off I would have thought. It is going to cost me loads more for my hols next year because I refuse to take L out of his Primart School preschool in term time, ever though he doesnt have to be legally at school until he is 5 and that is not until next October. Its something that I am just going to have to suck up though if I want sunny hols, I appreciate that you have 3 though MossyE, I only have the one.
09/07/2013 at 14:44
I can definitely see how it would be disruptive if a teacher takes holiday during term time. But not so much children, as I said before kids can be off sick for more than a week at a time, I know that's not voluntary although around here a lot of parents seem to keep their kids off school for every little sniffle. I think it's good when parents take their kids on holiday during the actual school hols, I just won't pay £600+ for a caravan holiday in the UK. I can see the point of view of not taking them out of school and I have given it a lot of consideration but still come to the same conclusion of what suits my family best. I have to say, it's kind of the norm at F's school as far as I can see anyway.
09/07/2013 at 14:50
Yep, each to their own. Like I said, I can't say I'll never. I don't think that my mum and dad did it with me, but I can remember my cousins going every September. I'm prob looking at it from a childcare point of view as well lol, if I go away in the hols, I don't have to find childcare
09/07/2013 at 14:56
My parents always took me out of school for abroad holidays in secondary school, 2 weeks at a time some years. I wouldn't do that although it was fine at the time. I wouldn't take kids out of school in September either, it's when they're settling into new class etc so wouldn't be fair on them.
There is ahuge difference between 2 weeks mid term and 2 days end of July as like I said all the kids are doing anyway is playing games / going Thorpe Park and watching videos in class. I've no idea what the teachers do on these days - maybe they should book a holiday too?
09/07/2013 at 14:57
For what my two-pennies are worth I agree with it. You know when you have children that you should take holidays in school holidays and that they are more expensive, its been the same for years, its hardly a new phenomenen! I wont be taking mine out of school, and will have to just suck up the extra cost, book further in advance or last minute or take a different type of holiday, thats just the way it is I believe when you have children.
09/07/2013 at 14:59
But they dont mess around at the end of term these days. Where my friend teaches they move classes and up to the next year, and start next years work 6 weeks before the end of the summer term so that the end of term doesnt become a waste of time like it has in the past.
09/07/2013 at 15:03
Well in both my children's secondary schools and primary schools - so 3 schools in total - they do Porkchop.
K finishes on the 19th, this week and next they have nothing but own clothes days, bring a dvd / ipod / games device in, sports days, fun days, and assembleys. This is despite her going up into year 9 a couple of weeks ago and having no homework since the move!
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