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12/04/2014 at 06:40
Anyone have any strong feelings either way regarding whether he's guilty?
Since being off work this week I've been fascinated and read all types of articles and blogs and tweets and just can't for the life of me imagine a Judge finding him innocent of murder, not with the lies and 'mistakes' we keep hearing about. And he seems to be a very arrogant, self-entitled young man who was actually pretty mean to his girlfriend given the relationship was so very new and you'd think it would be all hearts and flowers.
Such a waste of a bright young life and so hard for her family to have to go through this. I wish he'd confessed so they could be spared the trial.
12/04/2014 at 07:16
He's not coming across great, is he?
I don't know that I have strong feelings per se but his story about the intruder doesn't seem to add up. I'm not clued up on the absolute details but things like he said he was shouting to her the whole time to see if she was ok when he was approaching the 'intruder', thinking she was beside him? And he keeps claiming to misunderstand what the prosecution is talking about.
What I find hard is how emotional he is when her family sit watching very emotionless and detached when it must be so incredibly hard for them to hear it all. The prosecution have described him as very self-centred I think, which is coming across as very true. Like this is hardest for him.
My H is watching the trial but apart from seeing a few bits when I'm in the same room, I've avoided watching. I find it a bit odd, perhaps even tasteless that it's being broadcast.
12/04/2014 at 08:59
Counter And he seems to be a very arrogant, self-entitled young man who was actually pretty mean to his girlfriend given the relationship was so very new and you'd think it would be all hearts and flowers.
But it isn't his personality that is on trial nor his relationship. It is about whether there is an overwhelming set of facts that show he knowingly committed murder. Everyone approaches realtionships differently and that really isn't what the trial is about.
popcornHe's not coming across great, is he?
but again it's not about whether he is a great personality or not.
popcornWhat I find hard is how emotional he is when her family sit watching very emotionless and detached when it must be so incredibly hard for them to hear it all. The prosecution have described him as very self-centred I think, which is coming across as very true. Like this is hardest for him.
But could you consider that it might actually be really difficult for him. He is on trial, which firstly whatever it is for is going to be extremely difficult. Secondly he killed another human being, whether on purpose or not, that's got to be stressful hasn't it? Thirdly, he may have not killed her on purpose and he may be strugglign with having killed someone he had feelings about. Fourthly there seems to be a lot of feeling against him and he may be assuming he is going to prison for a long time, I think that is going to be hard for him as well.
He may well be very self centred, heck a lot of people are, but at the moment he has a lot of reason to be.
My own personal opinion? I really have no idea. I have avoided it as much as possible. I don't agree with trial by media. However I do udnerstand why it is being broadcast - it avoids any suspision (sp) that he is getting any special treatment etc
Agree with you about it feeling a bit distasteful. I understand cameras are the norm in various countries but I much prefer reading transcripts.
He's tried to say a gun (different incident) went off - in his hand - on its own. And that there was a history of security incidents at his home previously which meant he was in such fear for his life - none have been corroborated. And yes, the whole sorry tale of how it happened just doesn't add up.
12/04/2014 at 09:17
QI missed you there. I'm not his judge or jury so I can consider his personality when I think about whether I think he's guilty or not. I think he's unused to being held accountable for his actions. I think he's used to doing things and blaming others/getting away with it. I do believe Steenkamp when she wrote that he had picked on her, he admits himself to having issue with her chewing gum and using an 'annoying voice'. If he admits that I imagine there's a whole lot worse. I imagine that a judge or jury would not be permitted to read any guilt in to him 'forgetting' his iPhone password so details couldn't be extracted, but I view that as a tactic. Even his own dad wouldn't back up his claims that the ammo belonged to him and not Oscar.
There's a school of thought that says OP has narcissistic personality disorder, which wouldn't surprise me. It does feel as thought it's all about him, and what he's going through. And for sure, QI, there will be a LOT of emotion, panic and upset for him at the sheet reality of it all. He's facing a very serious consequence and that has to have an impact on him. But I don't see his outpourings as anything to suggest innocence.
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