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12/05/2013 at 17:36
P is now 2.5 weeks old and i am worrying myself silly over her breathing patterns.
When i feed her at night i bf her first then offer formula top up if she still seems hungry. We then put her down in the crib next to our bed where she will sleep soundly for 5-10 mins then she starts making this high pitched squeaking noise and shuffling about. Then she makes grunting noises and it sounds like she cant breathe properly and she is all fidgety. I cant work out if she is fidgety because she is having trouble getting enough air in or whether she has woken up because she isnt being held and the squeaking/grunting is just baby noises. Last night i was convinced she was having trouble breathing and sat there watching her for 2 hours. But she will make these weird noises for anything from 10 mins to over an hour and then in between she breaths "normally". I kind of think if there was an issue she would be like it constantly? Its only happening after a feed but of course thats when she sleeps...
Now she is asleep in the front room and she isnt making the noises but she is breathing really deeply and rapidly?? But then i think if here was an issue it wouldnt come and go?
On Weds she came out in a really angry rash all over her face - whiteheads and really inflamed. I posted a pic on here and a couple of lovely ladies suggested it might be milk allergy. The GP said he didnt know what the rash was but i am now thinking if it is milk allergy could this affect her breathing??
I really dont know what to do. H thinks i am being totally paranoid but i keep going back to thinking something might be wrong.
Do your babies do any of this? Is it all totally normal? Do anyone's babies with milk allergies have breathing issues? I keep bursting into tears because i am worrying and not sleeping as i just want to watch her constantly.
12/05/2013 at 17:49
Sammy grunted and squirmed about with silent reflux. Try keeping her upright after feeds and see if her breathing is different then.
12/05/2013 at 17:58
N has a milk allergy and used to have apnoeas which is essentially breath holding. This can be due to reflux which he also has. Saying that, babies are noisy when sleeping and it can take a while for them to establish a regular breathing pattern.
Did the GP advise you about a milk allergy or just tell you it was one and send you on your way?
12/05/2013 at 18:16
The GP said he doubted it was a milk allergy as she wasnt being sick and was gaining weight/thriving.
12/05/2013 at 18:24
Sammy piled on weight even despite the silent reflux by the way.
12/05/2013 at 18:40
N always put on weight despite reflux and a milk allergy. And he was projectile vomiting.
12/05/2013 at 18:47
could it not just be trapped wind? E does similar if I put her flat after a feed, try sitting her upright and winding more. They do do different breathing patterns when asleep though - just as we do! if it was allergy related personally I would expect worse symptoms. If you are worried though you should get her checked.
12/05/2013 at 19:02
Most babies make a hell of a lot of noise at night for the first three months. E stopped the grunts around 12 weeks. Her breathing also sounds absolutely terrible when she's windy, you'd honestly think she needed oxygen its so bad sometimes. Day and night but obviously you hear it more at night.
Newborns do also often get said rash and the doctor calls it milk rash and it is nothing.
All that said I'm a huge believer in mothers instinct and if you think something isn't right especially with breathing please go back to the doctor. If your paranoid, so what, at least you care? X
12/05/2013 at 19:23
Henry was terrible at snorting/grunting and sounding mucousy, and it stopped when lifted or propped up. I think it was down to his silent reflux (he also wasn't sick hence the silent reflux, not reflux).
I would question the milk allergy diagnosis again. Turns out his silent reflux was a result (or so we suspect) of a cows milk protein allergy and since being on special milk it has near enough gone. He can lay flat without making the above noises, and sleeps soundly. He had the baby acne which cleared and lots of dry skin on his forehead which cleared.
Just keep an eye as Henry's troubles didn't start until 3 or so weeks. Are you bf sorry I can't remember? You could try cutting out dairy to see if it is that. Doctors are very quick to fob parents off as we've found so if you feel something's not right keep fighting. We ended up changing GPS!
12/05/2013 at 19:26
Thanks so much everyone. MissusS i am mainly breastfeeding with the odd formula top up if needed. I said to H perhaps i should cut out dairy and formula for a few days to see if it makes a difference. I had forgotten how much you worry about newborns. Anyone would think i hadnt done this before!!
12/05/2013 at 19:30
Definitely try it. If it is that it will only get worse which in a way would confirm it for you. It takes about 2 weeks for dairy to leave their system so I would def try cutting it out for a few weeks to see if its that. Won't do any harm just a bit of a faff for you
12/05/2013 at 20:38
Agree with Missus S.
Milk allergies often have symptoms such as reflux, eczema and green mucousy stools or constipation. The spots could just be milk spots which she'll grow out of.
Babies are noisy, they can grunt and make strange noises at night. Is she in pain? Windy? Does she cry when she lies down? As these can all be reflux signs. You could cut out dairy for a few weeks and see if things change. Trouble is if they do, it'll be hard to know if it's the lack of dairy or her just settling down as she grows. So maybe try cutting it out completely and if things improve re-introduce it and see what happens.
We get our dairy free formula and reflux meds from the GP but it took a long old fight to get there and N sees a dermatologist and allergist at the hospital.
12/05/2013 at 21:11
No she doesnt seem to be in pain. She hardly ever brings up wind though. Its like she cant keep still and is uncomfortable.
12/05/2013 at 22:02
I personally would speak to the hv or gp brfore cutting out dairy completly as it is such an important part of your diet and as someone else said you wnt know for sure it is that or something else. X
13/05/2013 at 07:51
Thanks everyone x
13/05/2013 at 10:20
the only other thing I can suggest is recording her 'episodes' so if you do go back to your GP or Hv you can show them your concerns.
13/05/2013 at 10:24
Iris is a real grunter, she makes really loud piggy noises as she's falling asleep and while she's asleep. The only time she doesn't do it is when she's asleep on my chest when she snores but doesn't grunt.
Could be a sign of silent reflux but in our case it's just the baby being noisy!
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