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10/06/2014 at 09:17
10/06/2014 at 09:19
Oh dear, I'd typed this as a draft email to myself and copied and pasted, but looks like it's posted all as one big paragraph. Trying to edit now!
10/06/2014 at 09:38
Thanks for the information. Really handy to know..
I am well ahead in my thinking. I know some hospitals like you make up formula infront of them and some dont..how do you cope if they want you go make them up infront of them do you have to take in all your bits from home or do they provide a steraliser etc? I have already spotted the ready made bottles which I thought would be handy for hospital if we dont have to?
10/06/2014 at 09:49
Hospitals have a big stock of ready made little bottles of formula, which are already sterile. You can also buy little starter kits of sterile bottles in Boots/Mothercare etc. When I went in, I had vague ideas of BF and went home about 24 hours after having her, so I just told the midwives that I was happy with BF just so they'd let me go! My sister, however, had a CS so was in for a couple of nights. She decided during the first night that BF wasn't for her, so they gave her the little bottles. Our hospital only provides Cow & Gate and SMA but we've used Aptamil this time, so I'll probably stick with that next time and take in my own starter kit.
10/06/2014 at 09:53
I chose to FF from the start, so this is so useful as I got myself into a right state about making them up before he was born as no one was willing to talk me through it! CC worth checking with your hospital, I took the pre made disposable bottles into hospital too and they were amazing, particularly as when I got there they informed me they don't have sterilising facilities any longer! I had to watch a DVD on how to make up a bottle before I was discharged but that's the most anyone spoke to me about it. I had an EMCS so stayed in for 2 days and needed 3 boxes of the disposable bottles, so be warned as it cost me over £30!
10/06/2014 at 10:10
Our midwife talked us briefly through making up a bottle in our antenatal classes, even though she admitted she wasn't supposed to. It's ridiculous how little information there is out there.
10/06/2014 at 10:24
When I said I was planning to FF my midwife put big lines through the feeding section on my notes and that was it- never spoken about again!
10/06/2014 at 10:29
Did you feel pressured when you said you wasnt breastfeeding..Can youtell I am worrying haha!
I willask the midwife when I a, closer to the time lol! Still early for me atm
10/06/2014 at 10:35
Not really but then I was happy with my decision and didn't feel any guilt myself. Perhaps if I felt guilty myself, others' opinions would have bothered me more, but even if anyone had said anything (which they didn't) I wouldn't have cared.
When my MW went though the birth plan with me, I told her that I was going to give BF a go, but I was quite happy to FF if it wasn't for me. She didn't say anything, just wrote it down. In hospital, I tried BF, didn't really like it, but told the MW who discharged me that I was happy BF just so I could go home. When the MW came out later that week, I told her I was FF and she just wrote it in my notes. Same with the HV, who asked me what type I was using and that was it.
10/06/2014 at 10:50
I didn't feel pressurised to change my mind, but I felt looked down upon in hospital
10/06/2014 at 10:55
I mix fed from 4 weeks and transitioned fully to formula after 3 months. I hated breast feeding, but felt a huge amount of pressure to continue - the guilt when I stopped was immense. My advice would be to ignore anyone who tells you what is best - and do what is best for YOUR family and baby. Formula is not poison!
The ready made cartons are really useful if you are out and about, but make sure you know how to make up feeds safely.
I read the World Health Organisation Guidelines which I found useful as they talk about the risks and how to minimise risks on preparation. including how best to make up feeds in advance if you need to (much more practical than the "though shalt make every feed up with hot water before each feed": http://www.who.int/foodsafety/publications/micro/pif_guidelines.pdf
10/06/2014 at 10:58
Thanks ladies! I do feel a little guilty but its really not for me.. its nice to be able to ask my questions!
I have also been looking at those machines that make up bottles in like 2 mins has anyone got any experiemce with these? Are they a pita or worth the money?
We are looking at using SMA formula any good or bad experience from this?
10/06/2014 at 11:07
Im not using formula but I do express and bottle feed E.
We have the Tommee Tippee CTN bottles and the microwave steriliser which has worked perfectly. you can store it in the microwave so its out of the way!
To start with we followed the midwife's advice as to how much she should be having then we increased it when she would drain a bottle and was clearing wanting more.
she is 24 weeks and has 3 180ml/6oz bottles and 3 150ml/5oz bottles a day. she has the bigger bottles at her hungrier times, 1st thing, lunch time and last thing.
I had brilliant support from my midwife when i made the decision to stop breastfeeding.
10/06/2014 at 11:15
Is it the Perfect Prep machine? I've heard a bit about it, but never had any experience. I think once you get into the swing of making up bottles, it's really no hassle, so personally I wouldn't bother with it, but each to their own.
In terms of choice of formula, again, it's completely your decision. My choice was based purely on the fact that my sister had used Aptamil so I just copied her!
10/06/2014 at 11:20
10/06/2014 at 11:49
I mixed fed and as he was started on Aptamil as this is what he was given in the prem baby unit. At the beginning I tended to use ready made cartons as once opened they could be stored for at least 12 hours in the fridge. I would warm some in a 5oz bottle by putting the bottle into a mug of hot water. I would then pour it into a mini cup as he was initially cup feed.
I used milton tablets and cold water sterilized the bottles. I made up fresh container of milton daily, and put all his washed bottles teetes etc into the milton. I even dispensed milton into a smaller container so we could take bottles out and about with us. Cold water sterilization is so easy also once the steam sterilizer is open then unless the bottles are put together they don't remain sterile. Also you have no faff with needing electricity or a microwave. I would boil the kettle and then make up the bottle with powder as per the instructions. At this point it was still too hot so I would run the bottle under a cold tap to get it to the right temperature. My son was 7 weeks prem and intitially he was on a five hour feeding schedule as instructed by the neonatal unit. So it was easy for us to make up the bottles for when he needed them. Also being prem we had to wake him to feed him, so I would make a bottle of formula if I wasn't using a carton, change his nappy, breast feed him and top him up with formula. As he got older so after he was term we feed him on demand, however as he was mixed fed I would put the kettle on before I started to breast feed. The breast feeding took the edge of his hunger and so could make up the formula according to the manufacturers instructions. Also he kind of feel into a pattern of feeding around every three to four hours in the day and less frequently at night so could guestimate when to make the formula up. Whenever out I used cartons of premade formula. Yes I may sound a bit odd following the letter of the instructions but having a prem baby made me not want to take any risks.
10/06/2014 at 12:25
Thank you for kicking off the conversation Knees.
10/06/2014 at 13:00
We've FF exclusively from 4.5 months and when I told the hv I wanted to give up bfing she told me she couldn't support it and offered no guidance on the safe preparation of formula which is really dangerous I think. S is predictable now so I make up fresh but I used to make a couple up in a go, rapidly cool and put them in the fridge until needed.
We use the mam bottles which are really easy to sterilize - you just fill the bottom bit up with water and put it in the microwave. Really handy if you don't have room for a sterilizer.
10/06/2014 at 13:02
Missdeedee has the perfect prep machine and highly recommends it. She may well pop her head in! I'd heard that aptimil is the closest to breast milk if that helps CC!
10/06/2014 at 13:24
I am formula feeding O. When I spoke to the midwife before I had O I told her I was happy to try BF and definitely wanted to do colostrum at least but wasn't absolute heart set on it and was happy to FF if it didn't work out or I would quite like to have mix fed as if I'm honest I knew there was no way I would be comfortable feeding in public. She was great, she told me that's the best answer she could have heard as I wasn't going in absolutely desperate to BF of completely against it. She didn't make me feel judged at all.
O was born 5 weeks early by EMCS and was quite small. I started BF him right after my section in the recovery ward but he struggled to latch and I'm not sure how much of a feed he got. Like winter flower said, he was also very sleepy and would fall asleep very quickly when he was feeding. I struggled with it the first night and my hospital really wasn't a help. O was in a crib not even directly next to my bed and I struggled so much to get him out the crib and over to feed. He seemed to really struggle to hold a latch and to me seemed to eventually just fall asleep exhausted after having a little feed.
The midwife helped me hand express (I say helped, I couldn't really do it so I literally got milked) and I had to feed him with a syringe.
By night two I had nothing expressed and was trying to feed him and failing. When I buzzed I got a nursery nurse I think? And she asked if I wanted her to give O some formula. I was intears and literally hadn't slept a wink in 2 days as I couldn't sleep worrying so much if he was ok. It also didn't help that I was missed off both the lunch and dinner rounds and was offered a cold sandwich for dinner as they had no hot meals left so I wasn't exactly up at the mark or have any energy. I agreed and he took just over an oz of formula and was fast asleep and so peaceful.
I tried feeding again in the morning and was still having no luck so after failing to get much expressing on my own I asked for another bottle of formula. The horrible midwife that was on at this point told me that I had to get to grips with feeding him myself or I wouldn't get home until I could. I was quite upset and said I would just move to formula.
I didn't take any formula with me to the hospital and they gave me those little pre-sterilised bottles of aptimal. They did ask what formula I wanted the first time and I said I had no idea and she suggested aptimal so I went with that. I think it differs in hospitals though so I would check with your midwife about your local hospital. I didn't have to make up a bottle infront of anyone but they did give me a few bottles to take away as we weren't prepared at home.
My H picked up some ready made cartons and we used that for the first few days after I got home just until I found my feet and then we moved to powder formula.
We have a perfect prep machine and in my humble opinion it's great! I was worried about making up bottles in line with the guidelines and didn't want to make them up and cool them as I was so worried about bacteria etc with O bring so small. This way I make them up following the exact guidelines but it takes 2mins.
Equipment wise we use mam bottles and a mam microwave steriliser. The steriliser is kept in the microwave so it's out of the way and very quick and easy to use. You can also sterilise the mam bottles on their own so no need for an actual steriliser but it's easier if your using bottles all day.
In the beginning I was sterilising the bottles and then opening the steriliser to build a bottle to make up a feed but then I wasn't sure if I had to sterilise everything again (which I did!) as I knew it was only sterile until you opened the lid. I had to search aroun
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