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08/01/2014 at 00:09
O has had colic for a few weeks and we've been using infacol for about 3 weeks now. I didn't notice any improvement on the 0.5ml dose so upped it on the advice from my HV to 1ml. O now vomits quite badly during pretty much all of his feeds. It's not the watery milk that he sometimes used to spit up, this is thicker almost curdled looking milk and is during or directly after feeds. I called the HV today for advice (I got a random woman as my HV was off). She wasn't a mass of help tbh and I'm more confused than I was.
She said we have 2 issues, colic and reflux. She then said that I could try a stay down formula (currently on 'normal' aptamil) to help with the reflux and then said we could try a comfort formula for the colic. After confirming that these are two different types of formula, I asked what I should do to be told that it's a parenting decision and I should make a change and then discuss if with my HV when she comes out on Friday. She also suggested that I try an alternative for the colic and suggested herbal drops. I asked about colief and she said I could try that if I wanted and basically I could buy an alternative.
any advice ladies? The colic is quite bad and he struggles so much at night with wind. He brings it up, it's always down the way he has issues. He's stiff as a board, back arched, head thrown back and knees up. The more I try to help with his wind then he's sick!
I wondered if the infacol is making him sick or is it more likely that it's just reflux? I've ordered colief (coming tomorrow) do I just stop infacol and start colief from one feed to the next or do I need to stop infacol now so he has a break? I don't think it's doing anything but scared to stop it incase his colic gets worse!!
Totally confused in terms of the formula too as based on what she said the two new types are designed for different things and I think the stay down would make his colic worse and likewise the comfort won't help with reflux? Or is that wrong!?
08/01/2014 at 07:32
MissDeeDee, sorry to hear your having a rough time of it. When we were trying to sort what was wrong with A, we tried the comfort milk first then the AR milk (turned out she has cmpi as well as reflux so neither helped really!) At least then, if you did get referred to a paediatrician you can say you tried it all! I'm sure I've read somewhere that infacol can actually irritate reflux so that's why he could be worse. Also, are you sure it's colic? (Not that there's an easy way to diagnose it!) the only reason I ask is A is terrible in the evenings - we get 3 hours plus of screaming and being unsettled brought in by her reflux (something to do with a build up of acid during the day I think) If you are trying the different milks it can take about 10-14 days to notice a difference which is a long time when you've got a screaming baby :-( Could you got the docs and request a referral to see paediatrician - especially if the HV's are no good. Sorry I can't give you a definite answer - I'm still trying to get there myself but hope I've helped a bit x
08/01/2014 at 07:39
Really quick as S is waking but try aptamil comfort. It has the lactose broken down (which is what colief will do) but I think it's also thicker like reflux milk to help it stay down. Infacol made S's reflux worse, something about it making them easier to bring up wind also means they bring up more milk + acid. It's worth speaking to your gp about infant gaviscon if these don't work, it also thickens the milk. Sorry to hear you're going through this...mamad, me and several others on here can testify that reflux and/or colic truly suck:(
08/01/2014 at 07:57
MamaD I assume it's colic as the reflux is 'new'. We were using ready made cartons originally then moved to formula and the colic started. He has a bright red screwed up face with crying and constantly has his knees pulled up and arms flapping about. If he does clear his wind by a good few burps and farts of filling his nappy his body goes really loose (ie not stiff) and he stretches out. He's only started the bad vomiting in the past week or so which has coincided with upping the infacol so I think it is colic.
I'll try the comfort then, is that better than changing milk altogether? The HV kept mentioning SMA but am I better sticking with the same brand at least?
Also should I start the colief or not?
It's so difficult, the symptoms are all so similar and seem to be linked so the worst thing is there not being a clear answer!x
08/01/2014 at 12:35
It's hard to be patient but I am guilty of trying lots of different things and then I don't know what's worked so maybe just try one thing first and give it time to work. If you've already ordered the colief then try that first and see if it helps before you switch formula altogether. Hope that helps. I've only just introduced formula so I'm not the expert on it yet!
08/01/2014 at 17:09
Thanks popcorn. Two feeds down with colief and no sickness, just the 'normal' spit up/dribble of milk. He also seems a lot more relaxed and nowhere near as much pulling up of the knees. I noticed a massive difference with the milk, there were zero bubbles in it when he was feeding and when he did let go of the teat any bubbles that went into the bottle disappeared straight away where normally they would be in the bottle. He also took the whole bottle, every last drop!
Our swing also arrived this afternoon so he's currently fast asleep in it rather than me rocking him in my arms. Don't want to speak too soon as I'll see how the evening/night goes but I definitely notice a difference so far!
08/01/2014 at 17:58
That's good to hear :) I really hope this continues to help him. Shout if you have any more questions!
08/01/2014 at 18:18
Thanks popcorn, I appreciate the help, it's nice having someone to talk to! H and I have just eaten tea where both of us had use of both hands as we weren't holding O!
08/01/2014 at 23:20
Hopefully you have found a solution now but just posting to say that A is also colicky and refluxy so you have my sympathies as it is such hard work and very distressing. Your situation sounds similar to ours in that A showed colic symptoms first and then reflux signs came later. This made it so tricky to figure out what to do for him! Once reflux was diagnosed we stopped using Infacol (on GP's advice) as we believed that what we had initially taken to be colic symptoms were actually all part of the reflux and he wasn't colicky at all. It was only just before Christmas, as his reflux medication started working properly, that we could see that he still had issues with his wind as well. Now we are treating both and things are much better. A has Infacol still and I haven't noticed any negative impact on his reflux luckily.
MamaD and Popcorn are wonderful people to talk to about reflux things and will help you feel less alone, it is lovely having people on here to talk to as being on my own through the day every day with a screaming, stuff, red-faced baby was so difficult. It does take a while to find the right solution and then it's all a bit of a balancing act trying to keep everything working and keeping up with the fine tuning but it is wonderful to get your happy baby back once you do get it right.
09/01/2014 at 10:07
MamaD and Popcorn are wonderful people to talk to
MamaD and Popcorn are wonderful people to talk to
Aw shucks TT, you made me blush ha xxx
Missdeedee I have felt quite alone at times as even friends with babies can't always empathise. Having two hands is amazing! Have you got a sling? Highly recommended if you haven't, S will sleep in our Close Caboo easily x
09/01/2014 at 20:31
Awww, TT! Thank you, that's so lovely of you to say. MissDeeDee, we've been back to the paed this week who feels that A has colic as well as reflux and cmpi (poor thing!) The symptoms can be so similar its hard to tell what causes what. We also have screaming in the evenings as have to take it in turns to eat tea while the other holds and paces. It can take 3/4 hours to watch an hours tv programme (sometimes over a couple of nights) as we keep having to pause it when A's screaming is exceptionally loud. Subtitles help a lot! We can't even have a conversation some nights as you just can't hear each other over the screaming. Please keep posting as I find it really helps knowing you're not the only one going through it. I also second Popcorns recommendation of a sling. If nothing else, it gives you 2 hands free to make yourself a cuppa to help calm your nerves a bit!
09/01/2014 at 20:56
Thankyou ladies, I really appreciate you replying. TT I didn't realise A had it too, it's way more common than I realised, I'd never heard any of my friends mention it. I don't have a sling but will have a look at them. Are there certain ones that are better/more suitable from birth?
MamaD I've been thinking about what you said and how do I know if this has been reflux from the start? He's still being sick and I hold I'm up as long as I can after a feed but the minute I lie him down (to change him) he's sick 2 or 3 times which ends up all in his ear and over the changing mat. He then gets quite bad hiccups which can sometimes make him vomit again. Were still using the colief and if nothing else it seems to help him poo at every feed which I did worry before that he was struggling to go and perhaps this was giving him a sore tummy, although his poo was never dry which was all the HV was worried about in terms of constipation, she didn't think it was a problem otherwise.
The swing is definitely helping as he can settle down soonish after a feed by still being slightly upright although I conscious not to overuse this although it's hard when he is sleeping in it well! I'm not sure if he's any better or not, he was so so noisy last night, not crying, just making a lot of straining/grumbly noises in his sleep but they were very loud and hard to sleep through!
I have the HV out tomorrow so will have a good chat with her (it's not the woman I got on the phone, it's my usual HV) and hopefully she can give me some advice.
09/01/2014 at 22:49
A makes horrendous noises in his sleep! I'm awake for hours due to his grunting and goose impressions ;) I've started playing a white noise app after night feeds which helps him sleep deeper and so grunt less. Also helps me tune him out and go back to sleep.
09/01/2014 at 22:55
I used a caboo close carrier as I found it quicker and easier to put on than a wrap. I know popcorn uses one too. Now she's a bit bigger intend to use my connecta more. You can use the connecta from birth but I never felt comfortable with it as it doesn't hold them as snugly.
With regards to the sickness, to me that would definitely indicate reflux especially when to say its usually comes on when you lie him down. Also frequent hiccups is another symptom in refluxy babies. I always thought babies either had colic or reflux but apparently i was wrong and they can have both! I would definitely have a chat with your HV about it all although I'm guessing you might be about to start the fun trial and error stuff! If the colief is helping she may suggest trying LF milk. Also read a little about cmpi and see what you think. I was convinced A didn't have it as she didn't have any rashes or excema but again I was wrong! At first, when we were told it was colic we tried colief which helped a little, she then suggested LF milk which again only helped a little (I think basically having LF mik and adding colief does the same job as they both give you milk with less lactose in it) and then when we saw the paediatrician and to him this, they suggested trying the nutramigen milk. As I said before, we're still not there! This week we've been switched from nutramigen to neocate and from renatadine to omeprozol. Hope something works for your little man soon x
09/01/2014 at 22:57
TT, I'm currently listening to the sound of a running shower on my White noise app. It's making me need a wee!
10/01/2014 at 08:44
Haha, yeah I usually go for thunderstorm but decided to switch to heavy rain last night - big mistake!
10/01/2014 at 09:48
S loved the close caboo! It holds him really snug which he loves, he's a fan of swaddling too so I think that's why he likes it. Am lusting after a connecta too! I may have an addiction! Sorry this is brief, screaming child!
10/01/2014 at 09:49
Worst night of all last night, I'm literally running on about 30mins sleep. Got the HV at 10, she's going to earn her money today!!x
10/01/2014 at 14:00
Oh MDD, sorry you had a bad night. Have you got someone that can help you out and give you a break? You need some rest lovely. Hope your health visitor can give you some support x
10/01/2014 at 16:25
MDD, how did you get on with the HV? How are you putting him down to sleep? Just a thought but If it is reflux, refluxy babies hate lying on their backs as this makes it worse. Maybe try putting him on his side propped up with rolled up blankets or towels either side? If that works the. Maybe invest in a sleep positioner? Or I've heard poddle pods are supposed to be brill too x
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