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01/02/2014 at 01:01
I don't seem to be able to email you on hitched either. My email address is () if you wouldn't mind dropping me an email. Let me know when you've seen this and I'll take it down x
01/02/2014 at 07:56
MDD, if MissusS doesn't see this for any reason let me know! Just realised I have a few unopened tubs of Nutramigen AA in the cupboard x
01/02/2014 at 08:25
Oh thanks my love. I was trying to figure out what the differences are between nutramigen and neocate last night, I'm i better to try one over the other? From googling I can see a massive price difference so I assume my GP will be a nightmare to get these prescribed!
Are they designed for cmpi but one is for more severe cases?
01/02/2014 at 08:31
Oh hang on it was nutramigen enfamil I was looking at not AA! Off to google again, these milks are getting me confused!
01/02/2014 at 08:33
They're both amino acid based so contain no milk protein. Our paediatrician said they were practically the same just different brands/makes so one just might suit a baby better than another. For us, neocate suited A better. Price is an issue - my doctors phoned me up the other day when I put a repeat in and asked me whether I was only giving it to A! The stuff is disgusting - I feel sorry having to give it A so certainly wouldn't give it to E or anyone else for that matter! They now ration me and I'm only allowed so many tins at a time but its a right pain in the bum as one tin only lasts 2 1/2 days so she gets through it quite quickly (even though she only has about 4oz a feed) but they don't seem to understand that! x
01/02/2014 at 10:57
How are you getting on MDD? From this I'm guessing not great.
01/02/2014 at 13:40
Nutramigen lipil is the cheapest as it tastes the worst. S drinks it fine and has done brilliantly on it, but not all babies will drink it. Think it's about £15 a tin. X
01/02/2014 at 17:03
MamaD they'll *** a brick then if O is on it as I make a 6oz bottle a a time as sometimes he takes nearly the lot and other times he only takes 4oz! Do you know why A prefers the neocate? Is it the smell that's disgusting?x
01/02/2014 at 17:27
They're both pretty disgusting to be honest! Nutramigen to me smells fishy and neocate is like old chip fat! For her, she was better on the nutramigen but was still a bit unsettled and her sick was quite curdled (sorry!) whereas on the neocate she was still sick but it was just milK and seemed to be more settled. It was only a very slight difference and very much of a muchness!
04/02/2014 at 17:28
I had the HV out again today and I told her we were going to order milk and chat the GP had been rubbish last week. She went away to speak to another GP and called the (rubbish!) paed we saw at the hospital and she came back with a prescription for Nutramigen Lipel 1. We actually managed to get a tin of it today so O has had 1 feed on it. He was fed an hour and 20mins ago and hasn't brought up an milk as yet (none at all!).
Just wondering did you LO's get started on this first? My HV asked me to let her know by Friday if we see the difference, but also mentioned as she was walking out the door that he might still have reflux on this and also that his nappies will be loose and unpleasant. Am I missing the point, should these things not improve on the milk? He is also terribly windy, unsettled, has a rash and bad eczema so obviously I can look for improvements in these.
Also should I keep giving him the ranitidine? And what size teats do you use? 1 seemed very slow but 2 was pretty fast flowing?
I did ask her about the AA formula and and Neocate, she hadn't heard of Neocate! and the GP wouldn't prescribe nutramigen AA. I know he didn't want to prescribe the nutramigen so how do I know if he will need the AA formula and how will I be able to get this across to the doctor? I'm hoping this one is ok but if not should there be some improvement but just not completely?
04/02/2014 at 17:30
Sorry not sure that makes sense, what I mean is, if he still has problems with this one, how did you know your little one needed the AA formula? I know if I say this hasn't worked (which I REALLY hope it does!) my GP will just say it's not an allergy/intolerance and to go back to the other milk?!
04/02/2014 at 17:53
It sounds like you're HV is starting to listen at last - yeah! As far as I know, the lipl milk still has milk proteins in it - they are just very broken down. It may be that this is all he needs but If he has quite a severe intolerance it may only make a bit of a difference which is why you could need the AA/neocate which has none in at all. Again, depending on his intolerance the reflux may be just a symptom of it so if the milk helps the reflux may go. In our case, it was a separate issue so even tho she's on neocate she still has reflux also. If it were me I would keep on with the renitadine and see if you notice a difference. Then If the milk is helping maybe try stopping it then. Unfortunately it's all just a case of trial and error. You'll find the milk to be a lot thinner so you may need the number 1 teat. We do use number 2's but then A is almost 5 months. As for the nappys, yes they are disgusting! Very smelly, very runny and green! It's quite normal (as can be!) the difference is they shouldn't be casing him distress - no straining to go, no mucus or blood, no painful wind etc. hope that helps! Good luck - keeping everything crossed this works for him x
04/02/2014 at 21:20
That's the milk Seren has. They tend to start most babies on it because it's the cheapest, but some need to move onto other brands if it doesn't suit them. S was fine with it. You won't notice an immediate improvement in everything. Keeping the milk down is a start, but it can take 2 weeks for all the milk to be removed from his system. As S was mainly BF (I'd cut milk out of my diet) it didn't take long for us to notice an immediate difference. A friend who had a formula fed baby had to use it for over a week as she had more milk protein from the formula in her system. For us it solved everything - gone were the dodgy nappies, rash, reflux, sickness, screaming etc. She's now on lipil 2 (the one you can move onto to complement weaning) and loves the stuff. They do claim that babies on this are often better eaters of veg etc as it's so bitter tasting and this is certainly the case with S. I'm so pleased that they finally listened and really hope that it solves you problems in the way it solved ours. x
04/02/2014 at 21:24
BTW the main difference between the lipil and the AA is about £20 a tin. This is why the GP wouldn't prescribe it. They both do exactly the same thing, but the AA is better tasting apparently. The baby I mentioned above had to be moved onto the AA because she refused point blank to drink the lipil. If your baby drinks the lipil and there's no improvement, I doubt the AA would make a difference, but swapping to a different brand, such as neocate, might.
05/02/2014 at 01:54
Thank you both, I feel like such a leach on here, I'm just bleeding people dry for info!
I might have spoken too soon on the sickness front! On his 2nd feed we tried a stage 2 teat and he threw up a lot of the bottle, got mega upset after and was a wriggly mess for the past 4 hours between his feeds. I've just fed him again (back on. Stage 1) he's been sick again but not as much as on the aptimal comfort but still a fair bit. He's only taken 4oz (in total so he's lost some of this) he eventually brought his wind up and has fallen asleep on my knee. Did you ladies notice a 'settling' period when you switched? I would give up everything I own in the world to have a magic switch to fix this for my wee guy, I feel awful that just getting him some food is such a trauma.
I'll obviously stick with it and see how it goes, Its maybe just with switching him over and his body trying to readjust!
05/02/2014 at 01:56
Sorry LWO meant to ask does your LO eat less on nutramigen?
05/02/2014 at 06:36
A is more sick on the neocate than normal milk as its so thin - it doesn't seem to bother her though (not sure of that's the neocate or the omeprozole) The paediatrician says the 2 options were adding a thickner or weaning and because of her age, he suggested weaning also because she'd had gaviscon before and it made her really constipated and unhappy. I've heard that carobel can cause upset tummies for a lot of cmpi babies too so bear that in mind if you go down that route. Never apologise for asking questions and for advice, I'm sure no one minds. I can't promise to have all the answers but will help if I can x
05/02/2014 at 08:08
Nope, my little one eats twice the amount as her older sister and still has 20oz of nutramigen a day. She's by far the better eater. Certainly don't try weaning just yet. You could end up with more problems as intolerant babies are more prone to other allergies. Just be patient and give it a few days. x
05/02/2014 at 08:23
Sorry, not sure if what I was saying came across right. I wasn't suggest you try weaning, just what we'd been advised by her paed. He actually told me to start weaning at 17 weeks but I didn't as I didn't feel she was ready for it. A has always been a little and often girl no matter what milk she was on x
05/02/2014 at 08:35
He's only 8 and a half weeks so were a long way off weaning anyway!
On the comfort milk O would take between 4.5 and 6 oz at every feed and he fed every 4 hours so that was 27-36 oz in 24 hours!! Granted he was sick with every feed and depending how much would drive how much milk he wanted but he still must have been getting 20+ oz a day.
His feeds so far on nutramigen he has taken a full 6oz with no sickness, 5oz with a good bit of sickness (pretty sure it was down to the stage 2 teat), then his last 2 feeds have been 4.5 oz then 4oz with less sickness. I do think he used go just feed for comfort so perhaps he only needs the 4.5oz and is only taking what he needs now. Hopefully he will have settled down a bit on the milk by the weekend!
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