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18/04/2013 at 14:29
So, we are having to use nipple shields. After getting mastitis for the second time due to damaged nipples we were all set to switch to formula. We've had so many problems from being hospitalised with jaundice and dehydration, then hospitalised with mastitis, then deep breast thrush, plus infections in my nipple that the HV thinks has left scar tissue on the ducts, making me more prone to infection in the future.
However, now I'm feeling a bit better I'd prefer to continue with BF. The problem is A won't latch on properly. We've had help from midwives, the breastfeeding counsellor, our HV and visit the breastfeeding clinic every week. A just doesn't open his mouth wide enough to take more than just the nipple in.
So the next step is to try nipple shields. We've bought every size in teh shops, and different makes (Medela, boots, and Mothercare) but how do you get them to stick to you? They seem to be stuck down, then as soon as A sucks on them they come off. He's also a bit resistant as there is about 1/2cm between the end of my nipple and the end of the shield, although they fit the diameter.
18/04/2013 at 15:31
Hi lovely, I've no idea I'm sorry but I'm sure sofa leopard knows a technique to get baby to open mouth as her youngest had a tt. So I can send her a fb message. I can't think of anyone who used shields long term to give you any tips tbh. Sounds like you have had a nightmare time of it xx
18/04/2013 at 15:36
It's really not going well!! We've tried everything, and all the health professionals agree it's him not me. He's perfectly positioned on my breast - chin touching, nose to nipple, etc, but he just doesn't open his mouth!
If you could send Sofa Leopard a message that would be great, thanks!
18/04/2013 at 15:38
Aw love! Bless you. Il email SL I've also put a shout out for my bfc on fb as she might know about the shields. How is A otherwise. Bet he's getting big now! Is D still at home or is he away?
18/04/2013 at 15:49
A is doing great - he's 12lb 11oz now. He put on 1lb 1oz in the last week, despite me being ill Thursday/Friday and then getting mastitis on Monday! Honestly, you'd think we feed him on porridge!
D is still at home, hopefully not away for a couple of months, although he has been away overnight on a few training courses.
18/04/2013 at 17:07
SL. Has replied. She suggested looking into cranial osteopaths but there's a technique called the flipple which she says you should watch on you tube as its difficult to explain. Basically to tap baby's top lip and then do this flipple iyswim. She said look up deep latch by dr jack Newman too. Btw has his tt been rechecked? Has it been fully snipped? I know some grow back so maybe worth getting him rechecked
18/04/2013 at 17:11
I am by no means and expert, but A doesn't open wide and pretty much just goes onto the nipple and causes me all sorts of pain. She had a posterior tongue-tie which we got snipped this morning - have you had him checked for a TT?
The nipple shields sound much like mine - fit the base of the nipple but there's a cm or two of space at the top, but i think the sucking action baby makes kind of draws the nipple further into the space. In terms of it staying put, i'm not sure - A always goes on and then the action of her chin on the base of the shield kind of wrinkles it and it loses the nice seal on the breast... i realise that's completely useless to you though
18/04/2013 at 17:54
I think spikey goodness used shields long term? I used them for about 4 weeks, I had medula ones and found getting the right size to be important. Also I found they stuck better if a little damp from tiger steriliser but try to have dry nips, once the breast milk gets underneath the slide off. I used to physically hold them in place with my index and middle finger in a From babies chin to noise if that makes sense. Did you have a forceps delivery? I had this with G and she also wouldn't open her mouth very wide, even after her TT had been sniped. We went toba cranio-osteopath firvthis, not sure if it helped much or if it just takes time but by 6 weeks she could open her mouth much wider and poke her tongue out, which she couldn't do before.
18/04/2013 at 17:57
Sorry, sent too soon, wanted to say massive well done for sticking with it so long, it sounds like you've had every breast feeding hurdle going so I think you're doing amazing to keep going. It's bloody hard work when they won't feed properly, so mega hugs and mummy respect coming your way x x
18/04/2013 at 18:09
Sorry, went back to bed for a while!
CP - we've checked his TT and it hasn't grown back. They snipped it twice to make sure ity was done. We've looked at the flipple technique before, but will try again. Have been feeding using the laid back technique - its the only way to do it without having bloody nipples, although my nipple is always flat when he is finished (not lipstick shaped, it has a line down the middle)
Nenas - that is exactly what happens with the shields!
Excitedbee - we'll maybe look at the cranio-osteopath. He's 8 weeks tomorrow, and the HV thinks if he hasn't got it by now, he never will. THanks for the hugs, I definitely feel in need of them!
18/04/2013 at 18:46
If sent the bfc I used an email re the shields. Do u want me to post on DW and ask if anyone's used shields long term?
18/04/2013 at 21:31
We used shields for 12 weeks, 6 weeks pre tt snip as he would not latch without, and 6 weeks post as I went back to using them briefly when my nipples were bleeding and i cried with every feed, then J decided that actually they were easier than opening up properly and refused to latch without again. Tinker. (in his defence i dont think his tt has been fully sorted, he still has a slightly heart shaped tongue, but hey ho, he feeds ok now.) I could never get them to stay put particularly well either, I'd dampen them and stick them down, but I still had to hold them on with one hand whilst latching J with the other. Once he was on and sucking I found they stayed on ok- as in the suction on the sheild sucked on the nipple so it stayed attached to my boob, but the whole thing wouldn't be stuck on and sealed, just the bit around the nipple. J would only ever latch to the nipple bit of the shield anyway though, it was a very different style of feeding to how he feeds now without the shields. (Which is probably why I had such a problem weaning him off them.) If he bobbed off and on again the shield would slide and he'd be attempting to feed on a nipple free bit of boob, so I'd have to reposition. Generally I found them a bit of an ***, *but* they enabled me to continue bf, so well worth it. We kept trying without and eventually he just got the hang of feeding like a normal baby, he now opens up much better and latches fine, so hopefully A will do similar. It sounds like you've had a ridiculously tough time, you're doing so well to still be keeping going. *cheerleadericon*
18/04/2013 at 22:07
Thanks Spikey, that's what we're finding with the shields.
We watched the youtube video of the flipple technique. CP I think you actually recommended this to me ages ago, when I first had damaged nipples. I remember trying it then but my nipples were just too painful to touch. We've now done two feeds with it (one on each side) and the difference is huge. It's still not a perfect latch on the left, but much better. My nipple was still slightly misshapen whenhe finished but for the past two weeks I've been in pain for at least an hour after each feed, and I don't have any pain now!! So we're going to keep practising!!
So pleased! We were planning to go to Edinburgh tomorrow and I was stressed about how I was going to feed as I wasn't happy about feeding on the left when out, but I feel much better about it now. It was a bit of a faff, as my let down is so fast he gets milk everywhere so I had to keep wiping my boob down before putting him back on again, but I can live with that!!
Thanks for all the replies, it's really appreciated!! My H asked why I hadn't posted it on here ages ago!!
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