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06/04/2014 at 06:49
O has been so restless for the past couple of weeks at night. He goes down between half 10 and 11 after his last feed and was sleeping through until 6ish. He started stirring during the night but I would give him back his dummy and roll him onto his side and he would fall back asleep. It's got progressively worse and he's started stirring and moaning more and more and it can go on until 5am. Thursday it started at 1:30 so in a panic that he's actually hungry (although he's not awake during this) I made a bottle and lifted him to feed and he took less than an oz so I'm fairly confident it's not hunger. Friday night he went back to stirring round from 3:30 but the last night it was 2:30. He has been chewing his hands a lot and drooling but I don't see any obvious signs of teeth. Not sure if it's a coincidence from him actually flapping around but he seems to be passing wind in the night and does again when I start feeding him. He's always been a mega windy baby but since we got his milk sorted he hasn't been waking in the night with wind.
Ive been reading about the 4month sleep regression/growth spurt and how the move to deep and light sleep cycles like adults and it sounds like it could be this?
Any advice or anyone been through similar? Did you LO get past this or will he never sleep well again!!?
06/04/2014 at 07:59
Finlay broke at 16 weeks and it's only now he is getting better at 10+ months! Before the 16 weeks he was doing 6 hour stretches but then went to wakening up hourly!
06/04/2014 at 08:03
Argh!!! Did he continue with the constant waking and throwing arms about etc every night since 4 months or did it even improve a bit!?
I'm glad he's better for you now at least!xx
06/04/2014 at 08:13
Not me! But maybe he's been chatting with A and shes been giving him tips?! Have you tried amber? Green is meant to be good for sleep and cognac is good for teething, comc and reflux - just make sure you get one from a reputable company to make sure they're safe x
06/04/2014 at 13:42
Another nightmare sleeper here, he never broke at 4m as there was nothing to break! I can only suggest teeth, sleep regression, dreaming, wind. It's so hard to know. A finally slept for more than 4 hours after almost 9 months :-\ Maybe try infacol for wind, Calpol if you suspect it's pain, teething gel/powders? It will pass, in the meantime just try and catch up with sleep when you can. Sleep deprivation is the absolute pits but it isn't forever (even though it feels like it!) x
06/04/2014 at 21:08
MamaD I think that's what's happened! These babies sharing there bad sleeping techniques!
Smarties I could just cry at your post, that's the worst of if as he was a great sleeper. I even take him up to bed and he's getting sleepy but is still awake and I just lie in bed with him beside me in the crib and he smiles a few times which makes him drop his dummy which he finds funny, we do the replace it thing a few times and then he would get the mega heavy eyelids and then out like a light, just a shame someone's shown him how to put the light back on at 3am!
He fell asleep on my H earlier and after about 30mins started doing the unsettled arm flapping etc but my H asked me to lift him as he was boiling and right enough he was really warm when I lifted him and his head was a bit sweaty. I wonder if he's getting too warm in the night? I have noticed before that the gro egg is yellow when we go to bed but amber if I wake in the night (although I think it's JUST over the 20degrees. If this is the case what should I dress him in? At the moment he goes to bed in vest, babygrow and then his grobag? Just a long sleeve vest and the grobag?
07/04/2014 at 04:38
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07/04/2014 at 06:07
Mrs B I so hope in your case it's just that she's out of routine. I would prefer if O would at least take a bottle, it would give me a reason to be awake and maybe help him fall back asleep.
Last night I tried just a long sleeve vest and his grow bag incase he was warm and there was no change. If anything, I was cold this morning (the room was just under 20) and that's under a duvet so I put a thin blanket over O.
If I pick him up and hold him he will settle and fall asleep but he doesn't want to stay sleeping when I put him down. He starts stirring again even if I try to lie down holding him.
He started actually crying at 5:45 so I brought him downstairs and he woke up and I made a bottle, he's taken 2.5oz, trumped twice and is falling asleep. I have no idea what's going on, maybe it is just wind but why the change all of a sudden!
07/04/2014 at 09:32
08/04/2014 at 09:14
Missdeedee I could have written your exact post, pretty much. S was sleeping from 7 through til 5 but now he's 'sleeping' from 8 til 1 and then waking up at least every hour after that, flapping about, chewing his hands and refusing to go to sleep. I have been feeding him one bottle anywhere between 1am and 3am (I try to soothe him with the dummy At other times) but I'm not sure if it's helping or not. It's been going on for nearly three weeks. He woke me up 7 times last night. So I feel your pain! I can't offer any advice but maybe we can struggle through this together??
S sleeps in a long sleeved vest and a grobag but our room is usually 20-21 degrees. I might try him in a short sleeved vest tonight and see if that makes a difference. I'll let you know if it does. Weirdly, I found that holding S's ankles together in the air like I was going to change his nappy helped last night, so I don't know if you're right, and it is wind?
The other thing I was wondering until I read this was whether S's dose of ranitidine needed upping but seeing as non-refluxy babies are doing it too I guess it's probably not that.
08/04/2014 at 11:17
Oh Penny, sorry your going through this too! I did laugh there about the feet in the air thing, how did you discover that!?
I was also thinking about his ranitindine as we've not adjusted if for weeks but I don't think it is that as he's fine during the day and feeding, he doesn't seem to have any burning pain. Over the past 2 nights I tried just a vest and the grobag, didn't make a difference and then last night I ditched the grobag entirely and went back to a cellular blanket, didn't make a difference, I also covered his pod with a tshirt I had worn, you know where I'm going with this! Didn't make a difference!
Fortunately he's shattered in the morning so we go back to bed at half 8 when my H goes to work and he sleeps until 10 so I get another hour and a half which is awesome!
We bathed O last night then gave him a bottle about 7 and he slept right through until 9 (so I got to watch game of thrones!) I have him another bottle at about quarter to 10 and that would normally have been him until 6am, he was fast asleep when I put him down to bed at 11, but he started all the moving at quarter to 2 and hats basically him, he'll dose off for maybe half an hour to 45mins and wake and fuss again. I eventually brought him downstairs at 5:45 as he was starting to really make more crying noises and he was fast asleep with me holding him and woke at half 6 to get fed!
08/04/2014 at 12:21
I was trying to stop him squirming around and held his ankles to see if it would be a bit like swaddling and hold him still. He has this very funny habit of sticking his legs up in the air for me when I'm changing his bum, so he just did it automatically I think! I left them there to see if it wold help and he seemed to be a bit more comfortable so I went with it. Anything to get him to sleep!
What times of the day do you give O his ranitidine? I currently do 5/6am, 1pm, 7pm, but I' wondered whether the 7pm to 5/6am stretch is too long and that's part of why he's waking up. And then struggling to settle down again, because of the pain. I'm seeing the doctor tomorrow to find out if that could be it and see what the new dose is for his weight as he's put on quite a bit in the last few weeks (finally!).
Do you wake O up for his 10pm bottle? I tried dreamfeeding S the other night but he still woke up at 1am, it didn't seem to make a blind bit of difference.
S wakes up at about the same times as your O, and will also doze on me until 6am. Aside from the 10pm feed they are doing exactly the same thing.
Have you tried a later bedtime? I'm considering doing that tonight. S will expect to go to bed at 7, so I might do his bath really early, like 4pm, and then do a bottle at 7 and put him down to sleep, but not in his vest and grobag but just in his babygro. Then get him up after an hour or so, like he's had a nap, change him, do a bit of playtime or read a book, do another bottle, and put him back down. It might not work but anything's worth a go.
08/04/2014 at 13:05
O feeds pretty much every 4 hours so he just gets a slightly earlier bottle for the half 9/10pm. We bath him about 5:45 and then a bottle about half 6 so technically he would be looking for a feed about half 10 but I do it earlier so I can get him to bed about 11 and before he's actually hungry so it's a slow calm feed. Is S only taking 4 bottles a day then or does he feed more often during the day?
I was giving him a bottle about half 6, he would fall asleep right after it and then I would get him up about half 7 and we would bath him and then let him have another hour of so before his last feed but the bath before bottle works out better.
I give him ranitidine about half 8ish in the morning, just before I put him back down for a sleep (he sleeps a good hour and a half to 2 hours) and then about 2ish before his half 2 bottle and then again about 9 at night so he's had it before his last bottle.
We've been bathing him at 5:45 giving him a bottle about half 6 and he sleeps right through until the back of 9 and we watch some TV (I keep him downstairs with us and he just sleeps lying on me). I then lie him down either next to me on the sofa or in his swing as I know he will wake within about 20mins! I give him the ranitidine when he wakes then he babbles away to me for a bit and I let him wake up enough to feed and I give him his last bottle. He always falls asleep really quickly after and I put his grobag on and we go up to bed. That's used to be him (with the odd stir here and there) until 6am but now he'll go until half 1/2ish before the flapping starts.
That sounds like a plan for tonight!
08/04/2014 at 21:01
S only lasts for 3 hours between feeds. But the HV thinks that he is still catching up and will stretch out his feeds soon. He was still only going 2 hours a few weeks ago.
Wow I'm jealous of the length of O's morning nap. S rarely naps . I'm also amazed that he doesn't wake up for 20 minutes after you put him down, i get about 20 seconds! You give O ranitidine as the same intervals as I do for S so I feel better about that.
I was going to put S to sleep between half 6 and 9 like you do with O but he was resisting, so I let him stay awake and have a kickabout on his playmat. He started rubbing his eyes at about half 8 so I gave him a few oz of formula and he has passed put in his basket now. Fingers crossed for a tiny bit more sleep tonight!
How is O doing tonight?Do you think it'll be yet another long night?
08/04/2014 at 21:20
Will you have to lift him to go to bed now or us that him down for the night? I hope he sleeps longer for you! I think he probably takes about the same milk as O then if he feeds quicker. I have no idea what it is about that morning nap but I take him up, change his clothes and wash his face, change his nappy etc, I go back into our room and he's asleep within minutes. I put him back in his crib for about half 8 and he will sleep until he wakes at the back of 10 for a feed. I go back to bed got an hour (Well I do just now anyway with the waking nights!) and then I nip in the shower. Sometimes he wakes before I get in the shower but I just put his projector mobile thing on as the curtains are still shut and it's dark and he will lie and talk to the animals for 10mins when I shower.
He sometimes doses off on the pram in the afternoon when I walk the dog and then he has a half hour again about 4:30pm when I've been putting him down in his cot in the nursery and I just stay in the room, sorting out clothes or yesterday I did our food shop online and he will fall asleep. He's really good at napping to be honest.
I fed him at half 6, he dosed off after his feed but had been really sick so I had to change him which obviously woke him and he's obviously got wind as he cried for a good 15mins but eventually fell asleep about quarter to 8 and he's still sleeping! He's just lying across me and we've watched a couple of programs. I need to give him the ranitidine so I'll go upstairs in a minute to get his grobag etc organised for tonight and I'll lie him on the bed and he will wake himself within a few minutes. I give him a bit half hour to wake up and then I'll give him another bottle.
I had the HV today and she said that this is mega common and she thinks it's bad timing with a bit of a growth spurt and their teeth moving about in there causing them problems.
She said for some people it passes in a few weeks and others it goes on for a while (sob!)
08/04/2014 at 21:28
Sadly it never improved here. We get the VERY occasional good night but it's a flake and at every good turn then we got more teething, a cold, chest infection, bum thrush... Etc so it goes to pot anyway. I'm at my wits end but ultimately have accepted for now I get very little sleep. Last night he was crying in his sleep about 12 but got back off himself and then all hell broke loose at 2.30 and he never fully settled after that. Tonight I'm armed with calpol, nurofen and a 6oz bottle. He hasn't had a night time bottle since a couple of weeks old but I'm going to try formula at the screaming match to see if that fills him up more than bfing and settles him for longer. It's got to be worth a try I figure.
08/04/2014 at 21:42
Theoretically that's him down now. He's in our room and my H is up there with him.
Can O have a word with S about having a morning nap? An extra hour in bed and a shower both sound idyllic. S cries if he wakes up and he can't see me. I think he has separation anxiety. sometimes i can get him to nap in the car, but then obviously i can't sleep! He'll also sometimes fall asleep on me but if I go to put him down he wakes up.
Oh no sorry he was sick :-( I hope he has a good sleep now though and that he settles well tonight.
i was wondering if it could be the beginning of teething. I gave S some calpol yesterday and he seemed happier for it. I wonder if a bit of calpol in the night will help the sleep situation? Don't want to give it unnecessarily though. A few weeks though? Waaaaaah!
Fingers crossed for a decent sleep for us both X
08/04/2014 at 21:44
Oh no TP :-(. How do you cope with no sleep?! I hope that the formula helps tonight and that you get a few more precious hours sleep.
08/04/2014 at 22:10
Oh TP are you at work now? I don't know how you get through the day, although I guess you get used to it!
Penny oh don't worry, he's always sick, I'm waiting on it at every feed. For whatever reason it's been worse since his sleep went all to pot, he's throwing up a few times a feed now. I knew his teeth must have been on the move as he's been trying to chew his hand off for a couple of weeks. I tried calpol one night last week and it didn't make any difference, like you I don't want to give it out for the sake of it, but I was worried that his gums were really sore.
To top things off O has his 3rd set of imms tomorrow so he'll be just delighted about that!
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