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17/05/2013 at 08:51
I've been in hospital for a week now, and the girl in my bay has been in with me a fair few days too. There was a oh-ah last night as her treatment has failed and they wanted to discuss a section. With this came the discussion of blood products for her and the baby should the eventuality arise. She signed away consent for blood products including things like plasma, to be given to both her and baby a should they need them. I've been up all night thinking about it and its upset me. I don't know why, it's not my business, and folk can follow which ever religion floats their boat, but to think this poor baby may need something to help it live, and simply not get what it needs. I just couldn't shake the thought. I know it's controversial and I'm not meaning to sound judgemental, or offend anyone on here who us of that religion. I guess it's harder for me to take in as I'm thinking of it as if it were my baby needing blood products.
17/05/2013 at 09:19
It is strange, they interpret the Bible in a strange way (in my, and others opinons) and have their own version. As a Christian, who follows the Bible, nothing in there tells me that I cannot take blood products as far as I'm concerned. And that is all I shall say! As you say, its a controversial topic!
17/05/2013 at 09:23
My H'a cousins used to be JW and at the time they had such faith that everything would work out when it came to things like this and I not they 'knew' they would be looked after in the next life. It is hard and I would want to do anything possible to helps child- I do wonder if it came down to life and death how strong some people would be in their convictions and also whether Drs would intervene through the courts as that child isn't choosing to follow that religion IYKWIM
17/05/2013 at 09:25
My best friend (who I used to work with) needed a blood transfusion after her first baby. When she came into work to show off her baby a Jehovas Witness colleague refused to speak to her or even acknowledge her. As Porkchop has said, it's strange and controversial.
17/05/2013 at 09:27
I'm with you, it's fair game to refuse it for yourself but I feel a bit weird about refusing it for your baby.
I'm trying to think about it in terms of an equivalent for me, the closest I can think of is putting animals blood/ body parts in your baby but I honestly think - if there were no other risks like life limitation - i'd do pretty much anything to save my baby.
I always think it must be so hard for the medical professionals to have their hands tied in that situation.
17/05/2013 at 09:38
I feel sorry for the medical professionals in this situation, like BG said. All they are trying to do is their job and save a life or two and people put barriers in their way.
If you have a strong belief in something and faith is utmost important to you, i respect that, but to say no to possibly help save the life of a defenceless baby who knows no different is wrong.
17/05/2013 at 09:44
Her choice, even though I think its barmy, but it is NOT her babys choice, and that is terribly and possibly fatally unfair
17/05/2013 at 09:51
It's her choice and until her child is competent to make a decision then she also gives consent for her child so unfortunately that's how it is, its difficult but medical staff need to respect their wishes, if the worst were to come to the worst then she may change her mind and the medics would ask again I'm sure. Thereis alsorts of wishes that people have that to me just do t make sense but that's how it is I suppose x
17/05/2013 at 09:59
I suppose she DOES see it as saving her child, if eternal hell etc is real wouldn't you do anything to save your child from being sent there? I do honestly think it's barmy but then again I don't believe in God etc. I do understand the mentality behind it, in her eyes she is doing the best for her child just like any of us would do the best for ours. It's just our definition of "best" is different, I'd want to save my child's life but she wants to save its eternal life.
17/05/2013 at 10:17
Mate they are wrong through and through. Nuff said.
17/05/2013 at 10:38
My JW friend had leukemia as a child and needed lots of transfusions. She was taken into court care in the end as her parents refused to sign consent forms.
17/05/2013 at 10:47
Gosh I don't know where I stand on this.
I can't imagine having such complete and utter faith in something that has never been proven. Perhaps I'm a little jealous to not have that, it's like the biggest (IMO Blindest) safety blanket ever.
I can't imagine being a medical personell trying to adhere to this and respect their views when every instinct would tell me to save the baby, (and woman) - i'd be absolutely in danger of over-stepping my professional duty of care, I fear.
I feel for the baby, so much. And I also feel for the Mom. I do believe in God, kind of, but not to the extent that i'd put my life on it IYSWIM.
I hope that whatever happens, that it's not an issue for their safety/well being.
17/05/2013 at 10:48
Defo a controversial one. Personally I think it's ridiculous. I thought it was ridiculous when they asked me about it at my booking in. Why, if the doctors have tools to save your childs life, would you not allow them to do it?!
17/05/2013 at 11:18
I've known cases be taken to court if parents refuse blood products for the child, if it's in the child's best interest.
17/05/2013 at 11:22
I can't understand it but I don't believe in the things that JWs do.
Whilst I don't understand or agree I don't think I know enough about it to judge the woman in question as I'm sure she believes shes doing right by her child IYSWIM.
Religion is a funny thing, I can't imagine believing in something so deeply and wholly that I'd put my baby at risk but that may be because I don't believe if that makes sense?
17/05/2013 at 11:23
Controversial or not, what sort of religion allows a new mother to bleed to death practically. I can't stand them. They are the only ones (that I've ever known anyway) that have to knock on people's doors to try and get followers!
17/05/2013 at 11:27
What LLL- I believe usually drs can get emergency court intervention to treat children especially.
I do think in some cases the parents are probably relieved in those situations as their child is being saved but as it wasn't their decision it's probably just about acceptable.
I think these decisions are easy enough for them to make when not faced with a very sick child but a very different matter when you are
17/05/2013 at 15:20
Exactly what I think WH. It's very easy to say no to blood products when you're not faced with a life or death situation. If it came to the Doctors saying "Your baby will die in the next 30 minutes unless he has a transfusion" would they really just let him die for their beliefs? Drastic and unreal situation I've used I know, but you get my point.
17/05/2013 at 16:01
Yes they would Bosscat. I know of a girl who died in my school because her parents refused for her to have life savings treatments.
17/05/2013 at 16:11
While I am the most unreligious person I know, I do believe that the mother is doing what she feels is best for the child. JW genuinely believe that a blood transfusion = eternal damnation...what is the point in saving your child's life for them to eventually burn in hell for all eternity. Death is a price they are willing to pay to ensure that their loved one spends eternity in heaven.
My Dad's mum is JW and he very nearly died a few years ago until I flew down and challenged her decision in the hospital, they allowed me to speak for him as I'm his only child and he isn't married, I overruled her and he had the transfusion which was required to save his life. My Dad isn't JW and he openly detests religion and doesn't believe in any God. I only done what I done because of this, if he was JW then I would have respected his beliefs and let him die, even though it would have destroyed me.
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