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10/09/2013 at 04:05
As a newborn Florrie slept brilliantly - usually about 10-5 for the first 6 weeks. But since then she's totally broken. She feeds always at 7, and was feeding at 3, then up for the day at 5.30. But the middle of the night feed has got earlier and earlier. Tonight she fed at 11.30, then up and awake at 2.30. After the second feed she seems to feel its morning - she'll sleep on me but won't be put down at all. She doesn't sleep more than about 15 minutes in the day.
Any tips for what I can do - she has a dummy, doesn't seem to be hot/cold related, exclusively bf and won't take a bottle to topup (on the nights she does it makes no difference). II've been averaging 2-3 hours sleep per night for 2 months now and I might just crack up. I so nearly bought some formula the other day, but trying my best to avoid it.
Any ideas gratefully accepted!
10/09/2013 at 04:12
Sophie is having a lot of more sleepless nights recently and speaking to hep it seems quite a few of the same age babies are doing this. I have considered formula but some people on here who have tried it have found it is not a magic answer.
Last night we coslept from 1 as I knew I needed some sleep before #1 woke up, fortunately she is an amazing sleeper.
No idea what to suggest really but I just keep with the mantra This. Too. Shall. Pass. Sleep deprivation sucks xx
10/09/2013 at 06:34
I don't know how you are still standing if I'm honest and i would be trying a bedtime bottle of formula. I know its not always a magic cure but personally i would want to try it. You can't function on so little sleep when you aren't catching up during the day. Hugs xx
10/09/2013 at 07:08
How old is she now snidget? I take it the trusty slumber bear doesn't work?
10/09/2013 at 10:10
Thanks guys. I know formula isn't a magic cure, but she feeds 2 hourly through the day and is becoming increasingly restless at her bedtime feed. I just can't keep up with her and i think the lack of sleep could be having a knock on effect with my supply. I think rather than switching the bedtime feed though, I'll give formula when she wakes up stupidly early - I've been desperately avoiding formula so that seems like the easiest compromise.
Weekender - she's 4 1/2 months. We don't actually have a slumber bear.
10/09/2013 at 10:15
Is she definitely hungry love?
10/09/2013 at 10:17
My lo's sleep broke at 4 months from sleeping through 12 hours. No help but at 7 months its not improved and he is just a baby who likes v little sleep. It's REALLY tough coping with sleep deprivation but you do get more used to it.
For me, the reasons why I didn't want to give formula still remain so I didn't consider it and also many people find it didn't make any diff to sleep.
Can you cosleep to help a little? Is she in her own room?
Big hug from me, it's really rubbish when they won't sleep.
10/09/2013 at 10:52
O has started waking twice a night from sleeping through. He wakes for the day at about 6ish and sits and babbles to himself - man, that boy has SOME lungs. He's loud enough to wake his sister in another room we are mix feeding now, and O's last feed at about 8ish is a bottle of formula, but it's definitely not the magic answer some make it out to be.
I wonder if its growth spurt or teething related - I know Hep's I has been having similar issues. Sleeps in the day here are usually either in the car or the swing chair, and if not, they're usually nano-naps, 20 mins or less.
Otherwise I have no suggestions, other than f u c k loads of coffee. And like VE said, This Too Shall Pass. Think we need another lakeside meet to give each other moral support, these pesky 4mo
15/09/2013 at 00:00
Sorry I've only just come back to this - I had some internet issues!
So feeding and sleeping have gone entirely up the wall. She decided to fuss continuously over every feed and then scream with hunger. Got through all my 3l ebm stash and had to resort to formula. I'm trying to alternate feeds, pump and taking fenugreek, an though I'm still having to top up most of the bf's. Certainly not the magic cure as her sleep is just ad bad and still feeding 2 hourly in the day.
Gutted how its all turned out :-(
15/09/2013 at 08:15
Yep same here!! P is 5 months on Saturday and she tends to have a feed at 9 ish then last night woke for food at 2am where i bf and gave formula then she woke again at 5am. Got her to sleep for another half hour but she has been awake since 6am and i am *knackered*. Daytime sleeps are better than they were but i would still say she only sleeps an average of 2 hours in the day in chunks of 20 mins but thats a vast improvement on the 1 hour max she was having!!
Formula does make a difference for me but not massively. If i just bf in the night she goes 3 hours but if i top up with ff she goes 4.
I keep wondering about teething. Yesterday i took her temp as her cheeks were so red and i wondered if she was coming down with something but it was normal. Her hands are constantly chewed and she is producing gallons of dribble. If i put my finger in her mouth she bites down really hard so i do wonder if her teeth are on the move.....
Yes sleep deprivation definitely sucks!! My eyeballs actually feel bruised this morning!!
We will get through it girls!! Xx
15/09/2013 at 08:22
Dont be gutted Snidget. You are still bfing and it might be that this is a phase that will soon pass and you can ditch the formula if you need to.
My mum passed away a few weeks ago and i have been clearing her house which is 1.5 hours away whilst H has the kids every weekend so P has been having lots more formula. I felt gutted too but i am still bfing and mixed feeding is just what works for us.
P almost slept through a couple of nights last week but now wakes at least twice but she did learn to roll late last week so i wonder if that effects their sleep when they learn something new??
15/09/2013 at 08:44
Snidget. How old is she now?
15/09/2013 at 12:30
It sounds like a growth spurt to me, she's only a couple of weeks younger than Iris IIRC?
Remember BFing is about supply and demand so she'll be wanting to feed more often to increase your supply and the milk you produce during the night is generally more fatty and heavy so good during a growth spurt.
Iris broke at about 19-20 weeks and is only coming through it now at almost 22 weeks. She went from 5 feeds a day to 8/9 feeds and upped each one from 10 mins to 20/30 mins. It does pass but it's totally exhausting.
Iris is also teething and had thrush on her girl bits so properly broke last weekend, since then she's fixed herself and dropped back to 5 feeds a day on her own.
Don't feel bad about alternating with formula but if you can give as much boob as possible. It does sound like a growth spurt.
This. Too. Shall. Pass.
As for sleep, would picking her up for a boob dream feed at about 11pm work?
16/09/2013 at 10:19
MM - sorry you're having a rough time too, and so sorry to hear about your mum. Sounds like the rolling could be something to do with it - Florrie finally managed front to back yesterday so hoping that chills her out a bit.
BG - She's just over 20 weeks now
Hep - I think the problem is that my supply is no longer meeting her demand. She's never had less than 8/9 feeds per day, but they usually only lasted 5 mins, 10 max. Now she'll get on, take a couple of sucks and then screams. I was constantly trying to settle her hungry, when after a bit of EBM or formula she would be calm - it just wasn't fair. If she was on more or longer I wouldn't mind at all - formula takes a good 30 minutes every 2 hours so much more awkward. I don't think I've done myself any favours though, as we just moved house and I had days where I was lucky to get a single meal or drink in a day, added to only 2 hours sleep per night it just wasn't happening. I did try a dream feed the other night but it just set her off for 2 hourly night feeds, instead of the 4 she sometimes manages.
She is improving a little though. I'm trying to start most feeds with a bf, and only about half are needing top up. She also seems a little calmer. Formula hasn't made much difference at all, she only manages 100ml, and so is still screaming every 2 hours. Really hoping we get there soon, because if one more person suggests weaning I might just shove a pack of baby rice somewhere unpleasant ;-)
16/09/2013 at 11:59
Sounds very much like A at that age. She was a brilliant sleeper then 4-7 months she went to pot (just as a went back to work!)
Sounds like growth spurt and learning new tricks.
It will pass, just keep feeding. Have you tried feeding laying down?
16/09/2013 at 12:23
Jude broke at 4m too and it took a while to pass but it did. You need to look after yourself and make sure you're eating and drinking plenty and sleep when you can.
16/09/2013 at 13:29
It really sounds like growth spurt to me. When my daughter was that age she was mixed fed (had been from about 6 weeks) and my H used to feed her formula at about 10pm - I would go to bed at about 8pm to get some sleep in. Some nights he had to wake me up to feed her after she'd had her formula feed because she was still hungry! Then she'd be up again about 2 hours later. Before this time she'd been going about 5 hours between feeds at night which was OK and manageable.
Feed her as much as you can manage. Then try to get her to sleep a bit more during the day if you can. I would try to intervene in my daughter's sleep to get her to go for longer as she was dreadful for not sleeping for very long. The pram worked wonders for us, I would just rock her up and down until she gave up and went to sleep. Then every time she stirred I would be there and rock her again. After a couple of days or so she got into better sleeping habits.
You must eat and drink properly yourself otherwise it is just a vicious circle of her not getting enough, waking longer and more often, you exhausted, etc, etc. Try to get some sandwiches and snacks made up so you can just grab them whenever you get a minute.
16/09/2013 at 19:04
Thank you again! I think if I could get her to sleep in the day it would really help. As it stands she hates the car seat unless its for a walk, so buggy is a no-go, she won't go in the cot in the day, or anywhere really. She'll happily sleep on me, but that's not particularly useful. I've not actually had a daytime nap since she was born. Now I need the time more than ever to unpack etc, else I'm up half the night trying to get the house in order.
On the plus side today she's not needed any top-ups after her bfs. She's still alternating bottles but only taking 3oz of formula
16/09/2013 at 20:47
What about having a bit of a babymoon? I know you need to unpack but maybe think *** it for a few days and just do loads of skin to skin, let her feed when she wants and let her sleep on you or nap with her? Or how about a sling?
16/09/2013 at 21:06
I'd love to fit that in around the school run, and I have started slinging a bit more to walk to school, unpack etc. But h is totally against any thought of me cosleeping, and so I would worry about going to bed with her as I would fall asleep. I even get up and sit on the sits for an hour for each of the night feeds so I don't fall asleep!!
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