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13/06/2013 at 23:11
Sorry for not coming back to this earlier however my breastfeeding journey has been a constant battle over the last 8 weeks. I did manage to get my milk supply going again but by that point baby tp had got confused by bottle feeding but it was only just last week my HV suggested using nipple shields in the short term and since then its been a joy to feed. My supply still isn't 100% but I've not used any formula since Friday which is a massive achievement after baby getting some formula since 2 days old so hopefully my supply will adjust and I can drop the ebm bottle at bedtime if we want.
No one from bf support suggested shields so I was really lucky that a different HV said she would come out. Hopefully in 2 weeks we can wean off the shields and then get the latch right and get the feeding times down.
I never thought I would be so determined to bf as I have no problems using formula but I'm glad I stuck it out now.
Thanks for all the replies to my original post. I am hoping to do an update on us in general with maybe a bit of a birth story when i can use a laptop for long enough xx
For various reasons my bfing journey has been quite difficult and it meant that I had decided to switch to formula only to spend two days crying about my decision so I'm now trying to get my milk supply back up and try again to bf. I'm expressing every 3-4 hours and offering a direct feed although this is usually refused due to a tongue tie and I'm taking herbal tablets. Anything else I can do?
I'm worried that I will never get my supply back no matter what I do so any positive stories would be appreciated. Tia x
13/06/2013 at 23:17
No experience, but just also wanted to say 2 things: 1, don't beat yourself up over deciding not to BF, however the decision came about - you've got to do what is right and what works for you. But 2, flapjacks. Oats are also supposed to help increase milk supply - no idea how, but any excuse to eat a sh1t load of flapjacks can never be bad! How are you expressing - pump or hand? If pump, which one? Medela swing is supposed to be the dogs goolies.
Otherwise, good luck xxx
14/06/2013 at 00:29
Not quite the same but my supply really dropped after giving too many bottles of formula and things that worked for me were oats (porridge for breakfast and lots if flapjack), fenugreek and just plenty if skin to skin and letting him nurse pretty much all the time for a few days.
14/06/2013 at 02:03
Big hugs tp, the emotional impact of feeding is massive isn't it? Not the same but we'd been separated and Sam was tube fed initially after being ill so I hadn't fed him at all and he was three days old. I was told to do as you're doing, especially time at the breast as even if (when!) he cries it will stimulate your supply, then after he feeds - in my case cup of formula or expressed, have some calm, non feeding time at the breast so he associates it with feeling soothed and full and comforted, plus it felt really nice for me after a stressful non feed.
I then of course pumped like mad after every try at the breast and my body soon caught up - I really didn't expect it to.
Good luck but if things don't work out remember how much of bf success is luck of the drawer, please don't put any more pressure on you, you're doing brilliantly xx
14/06/2013 at 02:38
I'm having a bit of an issue with feeding W. I'm trying to feed him myself during the say and only bottle at night, but my nipples are still healing from not being shown how to latch properly and as a result my supply seems to have diminished slightly. I'm pretty full in the morning for a couple of feeds, but don't seem to be able to feed him in the afternoon which is annoying me a little, but! I'm perservering in the hope that it's just time that I need. my health visitor told me a story about a woman she knew that started BF after not doing it for 6 months and successfully re-established her supply. It was hard work, but she got there, so don't worry! It can be done! :-)
14/06/2013 at 07:50
RKB, we were told at our breastfeeding class that the night feeds are most important for establishing supply for the next day as this is when the hormones are at their highest/working better. Maybe it would be best for you to do bottle late PM/early evening, and make sure you are doing the night feeds then this would sort out your supply for the afternoon.
TP, no experience yet I'm afraid. I hope you and you LO are doing well other than this. xx
14/06/2013 at 08:27
Hands up, me me me !!
I was soley expressing as 1st baby wouldn't suck, we kept trying her to the breast but she wasn't having it. I saw a HV (who was also a BFC) who had a look and said yes, she is actually sucking now, she's done it, so silly me went cold turkey and stopped expressing and just put baby to the breast. I shoud have known when my boobs grew to the size of watermelons and hurt like hell that baby wasn't actually sucking at all, but I was determined that I'd been told she was sucking, therefore she must be and there was no need to express. After 3 days of agony with the boobs, I woke up the next morning and they were like deflated balloons, not a drop of milk to be had.
I had almost finished the frozen stash in the freezer and I cried a LOT and took the hired double pump back to the BF clinic. Luckily my favourite BFC was there and I just cried and cried and cried on her. She suggested re establishing the supply, which I didn't know could be done. She gave me a domperidone leaflet to give to the doctor, as not all are happy to prescribe for milk production. She gave me the double pump back and told me to go away and pump pump pump. So I set my alarm for every 3 hours religiously day and night. I'd say it took about 72 hours of pumping every 3 hours to get my supply back and I didn't need the domperidone but I could have taken it if I felt I needed to.
It was hard but worth it in the end. She was also my 1st baby, not sure I could have done it with other children to look after. In the end from 6-12 weeks I purely gave baby expressed milk from a bottle, didn't bother putting her to the breast as it was just stressing both of us. At 12 weeks I was kind of ready to give formula, i.e didn't really want to but couldn't carry on with 24 hr expressing. Just to convince myself one last time that she wouldn't take the breast, I tried her one last time. And would you know, she breastfed like a pro. Never had another bottle and was BF until 13 months.
It's only been a couple of days for you so should be quite possible to get supply back. It is hard work and expressing alomg with feeding is very hard work. It sound like you really really do want to do it though, which is half the battle. Do you have a double electric pump? You need the big guns out for this one ! Is something being done re the tongue tie? As full time expressing is the pits, I guess your end aim is to BF direct eventually?
I wish you all the luck and perseverence, it's such a tough decision to make xx
14/06/2013 at 08:32
Didn't Hepburn mention that BF medication Trio mentioned (doperidone) could be purchased over the counter? Motilium maybe? She just said it was for digestive problems.
14/06/2013 at 08:50
Yes, domperidone is also known as motillium and it is a medication for digestive problems. However one of the common side effects is milk production. It can be bought over the counter but there aren't many pharmacists that will let you have it for milk production so you would have to lie and say you had a stomach problem. Likewise many GPs aren't even aware of the milk producing side effects and therefore some refuse to prescribe it for that purpose. That's why the BF clinic gave me a leaflet to give to my GP, if you go armed with a print out of the information, a reluclant GP may be more helpful.
14/06/2013 at 09:20
PC I do feed W in the early hours of the morning when he wakes as I start leaking everywhere if I don't, this is usually around 3am but I've also had one breast out of order while it heals as W tore it to shreds due to an improper latch, which is why we're now trying to re establish the supply. I realise I probably didn't do a good job explaining that in my last post
14/06/2013 at 11:25
I have been doing this too, I struggled breastfeeding after my section as I had a few complications, we were mixed feeding and at one point I was only breastfeeding once or twice a day and she was refusing the breast at night completely, I've managed to get my supply back up quite a bit now at 6 weeks but were still working on it, P has a formula top up in the early evening still if she needs it but I'm hoping to lose that soon, I do want her to take a bottle aswell for when I'm working or out somewhere I wouldn't feel comfortable BF so would like to be able to express and freeze too, also so H can help out too!
I just kept putting her to the breast, expressed, skin to skin and went to see a BF consultant at the baby clinic who helped with P's latch!
Good luck and hope it works, if it doesnt work out don't be hard on yourself as formula feeding is not you failing at breastfeeding, it took me a long time to realised that when I struggled to BF my last baby but formula just worked better for her!
14/06/2013 at 12:07
I have nno direct eperience but i have a friend who didn't feed at all for the first week and then re-established feeding and fed to a year. You need to get some hands on help, get some BF clinic names and numbers from your mw/hv or phoe hospital and ask for them. Get to one asap and they'll help yu out.
14/06/2013 at 12:57
No experience I'm afraid, but have you tried a BF counsellor? I found it hard to do this face-to-face initially, but the NCT helpline was excellent for advice
14/06/2013 at 14:22
Make sure you have plenty to drink as BF makes you thirsty. So everytime you are expressing sit with a big glass of water and glug it down.
No experience of re-establishing supply. But I had to try to get my daughter to feed more because she wasn't gaining weight. I was told to offer a BF every single hour that she was awake to start with, then spread this out to two hours. I basically sat in bed with her.
Good luck and try not to stress too much. If it works, great, if it doesn't it is NOT the end of the world.
15/06/2013 at 22:57
Thanks for all the replies and sorry for not replying quicker. My supply is very slowly increasing but baby still not latching on and just screams. Will update more after the TT has been assessed next week x
Trio thanks for the positive story, just what I needed. x
15/06/2013 at 23:07
Have you tried rugby ball hold? Can u express slightly before he latches so you aren't too full? Hopefully will sort tt next week and there will be big improvement xxx
16/06/2013 at 00:06
Great your supply is increasing, I think you are amazing persevering, I know how exhausting attempting to feed, then expressing is - it's intense and cab feel non stop so to do it for this long cant be easy and shows such determination x
Hope the latch issue can be sorted quickly - again you're doing so fab for your boy, what a great Mummy :)
22/07/2013 at 19:21
Updated in op x
22/07/2013 at 19:29
Fab update, well done you, that's no easy feat, credit where it's due.
22/07/2013 at 19:38
Thanks BG. It's not been easy and involved getting up throughout the night to express for 45 mins on top of feeding baby but its been worth it. I just hope the shields can go in a few weeks and I'm not stuck using them as they are annoying and difficult out in public. X
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