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22/04/2013 at 03:52
Jut wondered when you started training for these things and the techniques you used. The problem we have is that d has to take her medicines at 7,3 and 11 So we need to hit round that. We are trying not to let her sleep more than 2 hours in day but it can be really hard to wake her up, took 40 mins yesterday. Also due to reflux we also need to keep her upright after feeds making putting her in cot to self settle really hard
22/04/2013 at 04:09
Not sure if this will be much help but we followed J's lead when it came to his routine- we don't have a strict routine but TBH it hasn't changed much from about 10 weeks. He started getting tired around 6.30/7 each night so we would start to run a bath around this time. After his bath I would change him in a quiet room (we used his room but as we're in a flat it's easier to move around- if you're staying up downstairs maybe worth doing it down there) with low lighting. He would then have a feed and fall asleep. I have a comfy chair in his room which I use for feeding and would also keep him upright for about 20 mins to make sure he was settled. Once asleep I'd then transfer him to his bed. Can't really help on the self settling as it appears J has no intention of self settling anytime soon.
As for daytime naps I was totally led by him, I would just let him sleep as and when he wanted as waking him up just led to a grumpy baby. As he's got older he's got himself into his own little routine and now has a 30-40 min nap normally at about 9ish then about midday and then again around 4. This can vary as he does like to sleep in the car/pram and some of the groups we foot knacker him out. As long as he has between 2 and 2.5 hours during the day in total I know he'll be fine at night.
When he was BF he did wake more frequently during the night but that was the only change that has really happened, but not sure if that's an age thing also.
Hope that helps x
22/04/2013 at 04:12
I don't know the answer (if there ever IS a right time for these?) but with refkuxy babies I think you have to use these things very loosely. H doesn't have a routine really- I asked the same question last week as HV recommend I have one, and we don't! If he's hungry I feed him. If he's in pain cuddle him. If he whines for some love il give it to him. My feelings are now very much, if he's crying, its for a reason. If all he wants is a cuddle, if that makes him feel secure il do it. When he's 15 and cryin for a cuddle I may say different
22/04/2013 at 07:20
We were led by N, we never worried too much about a routine. He decided he wanted to be fed three hourly. As he got bigger H decided he wanted a bedtime routine but that was it. At your lo's age I wouldn't worry about it, she's still only little.
N has reflux too and wouldn't settle until we bought him a slumber bear. You can be early and late with the reflux meds by half hour or an hour or so, it's not going to matter.
22/04/2013 at 07:29
B has a bit of an evening routine but its what he has fallen into by himself, we have done self settling from the beginning as we always put him in his cot awake, and I try not to let him nap on me in the day, if he starts getting sleepy I generally put him down. He self settles every night now
22/04/2013 at 08:52
We haven't really pushed a routine with B but have noticed she is happier on the days she follows a certain pattern so we 'encourage' that. At the moment she cant self settle but I'll leave it a bit longer before i tackle that, she tends to fall asleep feeding at the moment. Is there a reason you don't let her sleep for more than 2 hours in the day?
22/04/2013 at 09:03
I wouldn't worry too much at the moment. We don't have a routine as such, but she's kind of falling into one for bedtime. We did introduce a sequence of events for bedtime about 4-5 weeks ago but not strict to times. There's a time in the evening that she's awake and it's usually sometime after 8 and abhout an hour off her feed due time. We then get her activity gym out and lay her under it with her nappy off for as long as she wants to be there for, this can be anything between 10 mins and half hour. Some nights this is swapped for a lie on the mat and baby massage and once a week we do a bath. Once she's showing signs she's had enough we get her night nappy on and sleepsuit and I take her upstairs. I feed her on our bed with just a nightlight on. Then she goes in her grobag, has her dummy and rabbit comforter and I kiss her goodnight, tell her to sleep tight and have nice dreams and put her in her crib. I then set the slumber bear going. After a week or so of doing this she knew that going in her grobag means bed and she more or less goes straight to sleep. As for the self settling, this was something that she just did naturally too. To start I'd lie real close to her and stroke her every now and then. Now if I lie on the bed I seem to disturb her and she prefers the light off, so (and I know some people may flame me for this) I now turn on her movement and sound monitor and go and sit on the sofa which is literally at the bottom of our stairs - top of stairs outside bedroom door, and I leave her to it. I then have half hour - 1 hour with H downstairs before going to bed myself. I've only been leaving her since last week though since she started wanting bed at 9 instead of 10 and wanting total darkness.
In the day I let her sleep as long as she wants but not longer than 3 hours, although she's not wanted to do that long for a few weeks now.
22/04/2013 at 09:29
I wouldn't worry too much either, D is still only little. She should fall into a light routine herself and feed at similar times in the day anyway, I also wouldn't worry about her sleeping too much as M sleeps a lot during the day but still sleeps 5 hours then 4 hours through the night so it doesn't affect him. The only thing we need to start doing is feeding him in a dark, quiet room for his last feed as at the minute he's taking ages to get to sleep. We let him self settle occasionally but I think it's still a bit too early for that as well, we see the HV wednesday so I might ask when he should start doing this so perhaps it's worth talking to yours when you see her.
22/04/2013 at 09:35
We started looking at routines at about 5 weeks, and he fell into a feeding routine of every 3 hours in the day and every 2 in the evening. And we have a rough bedtime routine too. However, I'm now realising that I may have to change things slightly, so be aware that any routine that does happen may not stick for that long.
As fo self settling, A is pretty good at it. I only discovered that when I was absolutely desperate for the loo after a middle of the night feed, so just put him in his crib awake, fully expecting to come out of the bathroom to a screaming baby. And he'd managed to get himself to sleep. Mostly at night he still falls asleep on me before bed, but in the day he gets himself to sleep in his bouncy chair, occasionally he needs a bit of rocking, but he's mostly pretty good at it.
22/04/2013 at 09:45
Thanks girls, I only do the 2 hour thing as most readings say that is a way to do night/ day training. It's just a bit frustrating that her light routine she wants doesn't always fit with meds x
22/04/2013 at 10:02
I wouldn't be limiting the amount of sleep whilst they're so small, maybe I'm in the minority but if he wants up sleep I let him and have never even thought about waking him, I cherish every moment! He sometimes has a nap at 6ish but will still go down for the night at 8ish as usual.
He's just found his own routine, I just wing it during the day and follow his lead but do bath/quick massage/story from 7ish which is when he starts to get tired.
22/04/2013 at 10:12
I agree with the others I wouldn't limit naps in the day. H sleeps as he wants in the day, sometimes one nap is 4 hrs plus but he nearly always sleeps through 11-8am at least. So I don't think napping in the day really affects nights. H knows When it's bedtime and has his long sleep then. Let her guide you as she's still so small
22/04/2013 at 10:23
HF - I read that you should limit each nap to two or three hours rather than just 2 or 3 hours in the whole day. To give you an idea, N was having a 2-3 hour nap a day up to the age of 18 months or so before it started reducing so newborns need lots more I would say. They say good sleep promotes more good sleep and I definitely find that true for my babies else they turn into overtired horrors! For N I found a routine more or less fell into place by the time he was 3 months old with a little gentle persuasion from me. I'm aiming for the same with A but each baby is different. Because I already have one child in a routine I find myself trying to slot A into it in her own way so she often gets a dip in the bath at around 6 then milk then I put her in the sling for the evening until her next feed around 9/10 (the sling is the only way she will settle in the evening but when I pluck up the courage I will start trying to her to sleep in her crib).
22/04/2013 at 10:30
We didn't worry about rountine we had a bed time pattern of change then quiet time for the first 6 months but then disco was a cluster feeder and feed on and off from 7/8 untill 10pm so he just napped on me while doing that.
since 6 months he has his last feed downstairs then change then story song and bed, we are lucky if he has wated to sleep he has self setteled we didn't have to teach him.
As for day times he used to be the incrediable non napping baby so on the rare times he did nap I let him sleep for as long as he wanted. His napping has been better since he became mobile and he now naps twice a day but nap length can vary, I never wake him from nap as I think if he is sleeping he needs to. That said I don't let him nap after 5pm.
22/04/2013 at 11:00
I'm not criticising what you are doing bit I'd be wary of limiting her to that little sleep during the day, especially if you are having that much trouble waking her - J at nearly 2 and a half till has a 2 hr nap.
22/04/2013 at 11:16
Henry will have a good few 2-3 hour naps a day between feeds and still sleeps 8-10 hours a night (with feeding breaks). Don't know what's 'right' but if he needs the sleep il let him. If he wasn't sleepig at night I may think different
22/04/2013 at 11:17
We didn't have a routine, ever really and I live by the analogy "never wake a sleeping baby". On the few occasions we did wake her for whatever reason it always went badly. Even now she is 4 yrs old if she falls asleep I let her sleep.
As for the meds, Zoe was on reflux medication too and we would just adjust it on a daily basis, so would work out the timings for the day from when she had her first one rather than sticking to a rigid time.
22/04/2013 at 14:35
Thanks for replies, don't worry about commenting on what I do I posted because I wanted input from number of sources. Don't worry it is only 2 hours at a time limited to, not all day. I've gone to a 3 hour one this morning then she fed and back to sleep but hoping she'll wake soon as meds due at 3
22/04/2013 at 14:38
Ah, that makes more sense!
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