haha, we just couldnt be doing with a moving baby in somewhere with such hard stone floors, he fell twice and screamed the place down, and then there was the sermon that to us seemed money grabbing 'the more you give the more you recieve' 6mnths later all the parish is recieving is scaffolding all round the church for 10mnths and its still up!!! and the whole colection pouch thing being shoved in our face pissed me off especially when we couldnt give as a couple they shake it at all of us even the baby!!!!!!